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we're back with cal perry and ben rhodes. i think they're on the same page.derstand about president zelenskyy, but i have come to understand some of what i think you've been trying to bring to us now for months, which is this real need that, dying of things other than the war is a reality there. the fuel shortages. i understand there's real struggle to fund basic government services and the ngos are doing a whole lot. tell me what the needs are in ukraine right now. >> so there's an immediate need partner people who have been displaced, food, water, access to medical supplies, access to doctors is really hard because so many people have gone to the front or left the country. but i want our viewers to try to understand that the suburbs of kyiv have been destroyed by an invasion, an invading army that left with them unexploded ordinances, grenades, mortars, burned-out tanks, destruction on a scale that i have never seen in my life and i covered the war in iran for years, the war in lebanon, georgia. this is my second russian war. i've never seen destruction lik

ben rhodes, former deputy national secretary adviser for president obama.nbc political contributor, he was -- very mccaffrey. a decorated combat veteran in vietnam. a former battlefield commander in the persian golf. general, at turn to you first. russia taking retaliatory steps. that's vague and scary, what does it mean? >> a couple of days ago, they flew, allegedly, nuclear armed aircraft into a near finish airspace. it's an astonishing display of strategic incompetence. they are inviting finland and sweden to join nato. they help the threat in a way to alleviate their fears, it's complete nonsense. finland has a michelin -- if they call up all their reserves. russia has been incompetent in trying to dominate ukraine. 60% of the combat power have their air force. there are no position to threaten finland. what's, nuclear weapons? putin has a cascading series of disasters taking place. he's out of ideas. he's out of options. it's a tragedy for the russian people. >> so, how mad is putin? if putin joins nato, what does it mean for russia than? >> well, keep

joining us is ben rhodes. great to see you. what does ukraine joining the eu mean officially?he war and rebuilding? >> i think two things. you'll remember way back in 2014, the precipitating event for the annexation of crimea was about whether they could draw closer to the european union and sign essentially an association trade agreement. so the the fact that here we are with the russian invasion having actually trggered membership process for ukraine, i think it signals importantly, but also substantively that ukraine's future is towards zero. as you alluded to in your question, we focused a lot on weapons. there are going to be enormous needs for the sustainment of ukrainian government and its budget with the reconstruction of ukraine at some point and in that case, the european unon can play an enormous role in providing the funds and financing, the debt forgiveness, tools to allow ukraine to weather the economic storm and budgetary storm of the war and hopefully get to that place where they can rebuild as a member of the european club on the back end. >> as well as on the

ben rhodes, and tim miller, he's a writer at large for the bull work.in light of politico's new reporting, john eastman revealed friday that he routinely communicated with trump either directly or via six conduits during the chaotic weeks that preceded the january 6th attack on the capitol. explain what's new about eastman and trump. >> what we know is just how deep and close the relationship between these two men was. eastman is essentially saying i was 100% trump's lawyer. i was working directly for him. the advocacy that i engaged in was on his behalf and he was my client. eastman has to be able to make that argument persuasively if he wants to win in court here and if he wants to have any sort of a prayer of making the case that attorney-client privilege should shield the materials that the select committee is trying to obtain and that's why he is really kind of revealing himself in terms of the nature of the work that he did for the president. he wasn't freelancing whatsoever in his version of the story. he wasn't doing anything that wasn't blessed

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. >> i want to bring in ego volsky and ben rhodes former national security adviser for the obama administrationitical contributor. good to see you both. ben, we've been here so many times before. no significant changes. my question to you is can this time be different? >> not with the attitude we saw in that clip you just showed, the disregard -- why does an 18-year-old in the state of texas need two ar-15s and an enormous amount of ammunition? they don't. we know what the solutions are. after sandy hook, what we did is we went through a process where -- we did what the congressman called for, by the way, compromise, discussion. we start from a premise in the democratic party and the obama administration after sandy hook that you would want to ban assault-style weapons. you don't need ar-15s in this country. the compromise position hammered out between republicans and democrats was background checks. that was the thing we could agree on because it doesn't take away guns from people or restrict the sale of guns. i'm not happy with that. that would not be enough to stop the kinds of things we're

a couple of our colleagues were also policy people, like ben rhodes, who was very instrumental in president obama's foreign policy. but i did feel like i had some influence in shaping how he talked about something. so specifically, by the time that i got there, i felt like i could kind of help the president be more vocal about his feminism. so i used various opportunities, like essays we, had and then culminating a speech that the white house held in 2016, that i could kind of build up and sort of help him find a voice. give voice to what i knew he truly believed. and that i could push it and see whether he pushed back in a way. i worked on a team of men, so i felt like i had the ability to do that. and to kind of challenge it a little bit. and through each piece of writing about this issue that we did, i could kind of push the envelope a little bit more, little more, so the by the time he gave that speech, and got up in this on stage in front of thousand people that this is why the feminist looks like. and it took, you know, just slowly moving us in that direction and it. and it wasn't, it

wants but, some great quotes from ben rhodes around the presidential election. we're supposedly some of the u.s. -- options were taken off the table because of concerns of the fsb in particular being u.s. critical infrastructure. i don't know if that is true, but it is a fascinating case in terms of signaling, and supposedly whether the -- works or not, at least there might be one case where. but not in the way that we wanted to. >> but you may know more about, that. emily >> i might. so i'm gonna bring the plug here for anybody who wants to read the senate intelligence 2016 election interference report, because we go into that a bit. so this is one of the problems with the obama administration response in 2016. by the time they understood somewhat the extent of what the russians are up to, they had very limited time before the election, and they had very limited prepared options. the other thing, it is easy now, and it was easy-ish in 2017 2018, to look back on the complete package of information and say, likely they should have known this. well when you're in

former deputy national security advisor to president obama, ben rhodes, is here.correspondent for puck news. with us onset, daniel goldman, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and former majority counsel during donald trump's first impeachment trial. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman will be along in a couple minutes and he'll jump right into our conversation. i want to start with you. that was fiona hill, obviously, at the beginning, making something that may not have been shocking to you because you had that window into her thinking as a witness in the impeachment but was still shocking to hear, that -- and it explains a lot. it explains this connective tissue between vladimir putin's obsession with january 6th, some of america's hard right sort of putin fans in american media, like tucker carlson, and donald trump's ongoing reluctance to criticize him. it all clicks together in a haunting way. >> it does, and it really lifts up the importance of january 6th to what is going on right now, and you hear the former president tal

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