he is a professor of practice, and also ben rhodes, former deputy of national security adviser to president obama. and political analyst, andrew weizmann, donald trump confesses into a microphone that i had boxes in the basement, and he is keeping them because it is mine, he said. it's mine. do we have the elements of a confession there? >> absolutely. if you don't call that statement, is mine, that's something that there was reporting that one of his former white house counsel reported that that is what he said when he was being told by his white house counsel that he needed to return these. so, this is totally in keeping with his attitudes. i really think at this point, the proof is not the issue. it is overwhelming, and as you point out, lawrence, every day it gets bigger and stronger, based on statements coming out of the former presidents mouth. the real issue is not going to be the proof. the real issue is that this is a man who has lived with no comeuppance, he is lived with the impunity of never being held to account at least criminally, in a court of law, for his conduct. the real

also with us, ben rhodes former deputy national security adviser to president obama and an expert and the handling of classified material. they are all msnbc analysts, and andrew weissmann, let me start with you. and maybe i'm over concentrating on that one word that slipped into this filing tonight by the trump lawyers -- possession. they actually referred to donald trump having possession of these documents, which is specifically against the law. what's your reaction to the supreme court filing tonight? >> well, my reaction to the supreme court filing is that it is likely much to do about nothing. the filing it's important to note, does not in any way, stop the department of justice doing its criminal investigation or its national security investigation that was authorized by the 11th circuit. so it is a very narrow appeal, and they're all sorts of things you can spin out. obviously, when you have judge cannon, and as you said, justice thomas, it's hard to for me to be too much of a pollyanna. but you can spin out a lot of things here that would go very badly for donald trump, such

and ben rhodes, former adviser to president obama. the msnbc political analyst. harry, i want to begin with you on this order from the special master tonight. it is not an easy documentary, two and a half pages, i did my best with it. i tried to decipher it. have a feeling about what is going on there, but what do you make of it? >> here is the deal, lawrence. they're the documents, not the classified ones, remember, that he is reviewing. 90 or so of them are making a claim of attorney client privileges, they will call bold and short on that which is what special master's new, you would not have needed him here, but that is straightforward. then there are the other 28 documents where he is not claiming attorney client privilege is. this is the most interesting to me. what he is saying he is you give these now to the case team, privilege review team, and case team you can with trump about if there is any executive privilege claim to be made, and get back to me by october 20th. that means by october 20th, trump is going to have to come forward with some theory or e

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leading off our discussion tonight is bradley, the national security attorney and ben rhodes, former -- bradley, i'm a little bit confused about the reporting on what is happening that the prosecutors want to pressure into what? if he has taken the fifth amendment, the devices that you have for breaking that are granted him immunity and then forcing his testimony. that is one way around the fifth amendment. what are you reading into these prosecutors approach to these two witnesses and including the witness who was seen carrying the boxes himself who they say might not have been a very truthful first time they spoke to him. sure, so with cash patel they have always got it -- speaking in order under the federal community laws to effectively compel cash patel to testify, they can grant him what you can referencing which is an immunity, which is cash patel would be forced to testify. he would describe whatever he was he knew, what was in them, what donald trump knew about them, and what efforts were taken, if any, were taken to concealed out from the investigators. the governor would no

on the russians together with us and other countries is part of what is happening right now. >> ben rhodes deputy national security adviser for president obama president obama. thank you for rolling with me on this breaking news, ben. thanks for making time to join us. we'll be right back. making timn us we'll be right back. new astepro allergy. no allergy spray is faster. with the speed of astepro, almost nothing can slow you down. because astepro starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. and astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free allergy spray. now without a prescription. astepro and go. >>> that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. "way too early" is coming up next. >> ahead on "way too early," president biden makes eye opening comments about the risks of a "nuclear armageddon" in response to threats from putin. plus, new reporting on what the justice department believes donald trump is still hiding and how it has divided the former president's legal team. and herschel walker offers a new denial to a report that he paid for a forme

and four of us ended up staying out all night long-- ben rhodes, terry zuplat, and ben holzer and i--, and ready to get into the motorcade. and ben rhodes is just shouting at this point, like, "viva las americans! viva las france!" and the deputy white house chief of staff comes over and she goes, get upstairs, take a shower, get ready, and get back down here, or we're leaving your asses in paris. and we're like, don't threaten us with a good time. ( laughter ) but, so, we make it, we get on the plane-- and somebody dimed us out to the president. he comes back on the plane and he goes, "oh-ho-ho! a movable feast is back." and we're just kind of slouched in our chairs. and you know, i think he's just jealous because he can't do that any more. ( laughter ) >> stephen: all right, for eight years, you worked in the white house, mastering obama's voice, his rhetorical style. what did you learn from him, by writing for him? >> one of the more interesting lessons he taught me actually involved jazz, which i wasn't expected. this was 2015, and i had been working on the state of the union addr

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ben rhodes said "regret." obama himself -- "regret." but now they're doing the same mistake. they're doing the same mistake because all people around jake sullivan or president biden are the same people giving wrong advice to president obama. >> to be fair, the u.s. has levied three rounds of sanctions since the protests began. they include sanctions against the morality police, on oil sales, and on various iranian officials who the u.s. says has played a role in the crackdown and internet outages. is this not enough? >> it's not. this is not enough. what want is clear. a revolution is taking place in iran. teenagers getting killed. schoolgirls getting killed. recognize this revolution. if not, your sanction won't help us. your empty words won't help us. your cutting hair won't help us. just cut the ties with the murders. that's the only way that you can hear the voice of iranian people. >> in december of 1979, on the original "firing line" program that was hosted by william f. buckley jr., his guest was former congressman allard lowenstein. they were discussing how the unite

ben rhodes is gonna take the stand, and he's gonna say the reason i did them is because i was coming out for my president, because he was gonna use the insurrection act. that's a nonstarter. the insurrection act is to bring in soldiers, not private citizens. nevertheless, we are gonna hear that from him, and that's going to only emphasize, sort of in the daily news cycles, the role of trump, and his direct inspiration at a minimum to the actual marauders on the ground. >> harry, use shorthand, but stewart rhodes is the leader. >> excuse, me five defendants, but the number one guy in the trial -- but generally for the organization, stewart rhodes, he of the eye patch in the yale law degree. >> so, defensive tierney's for the leader stewart rhodes, and the oath keepers members were at the capitol as part of. a peacekeeping force, waiting on president trump to invoke the insurrection act, does that make any sense? >> it makes absolutely no sense. this is probably one of the worst defenses i've ever heard, and i've heard a lot. as a prosecutor, and was a criminal defense lawyer. it defie

joining us now, former obama deputy national security adviser and msnbc contributor ben rhodes.s losing not just on the battlefield but in ermz it of what putin values most, face. >> well, i think what's happening is you can see that one side in this war has a plan and the other side really has no idea what it's doing or why it's doing it. so on the ukrainian side these are very disciplined offensives in which they're just methodically cutting through the russian military in strategic ways. this is not just them taking territory that's available. it's them pushing back the russians and then cutting off them and their supply lines so that they can make further gains to essentially dislodge the russians from theirer side the don't even know what they're doing. they didn't know what they were doing when putin sent them in to begin with. he's not really articulated what the objectives of this war are. he announced these annexations but even his own officials are scrambling to determine what the borders are of these regions that they claim to have annexed. and they don't control all

my thanks to ben rhodes and jackie. stick around.we've reported, steve bannon was sentenced today for defying this committee. he will be spending four months in prison. but will the trump ally actually serve time? will that happen? we'll look at that next. ulcerative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand... rinvoq helped visibly repair the colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and a chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check. check. and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older... with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if all

ben rhodes is also here, former deputy national security adviser to president obama, now anntrib.k it was thursday or friday, and so much has transpired. take me through the attack on the bridge, the retaliation. i know you have been touring the damage in kyiv. tell us about it. >> well, first of all, yeah, there's major deja vu to february. so today was the first morning i think since like late march or april when i actually woke up to a massive explosion. then there was another one. and kind of a similar sense of like semi-panic that ended really quickly because you know, people just realized what was happening and just kind of went on with it. but yeah, this is the first time putin is hitting central kyiv. notice he hasn't hit a single military target. he hasn't even attempted a single military target. he's hit a playground, a busy intersection in central kyiv, and he attempted hitting a famous glass pedestrian bridge in central kyiv. missed all those targets. and basically this was a terror attack. i mean, that's all i can say about this. kyiv is defiant. ukraine is defiant. t

this one is from ben rhodes who wrote quote battling the big lies and enlightening at times enragingntnd always entertaing guide to the recent history of our politics and media. drawingg on dan pfeiffer's unparalleled experience read this book if you want to understand what's happening in american politics, why it is happening and what you can do about it. we arere honored to welcome dan back to harrisburg group that furthered you please join me and given them a warm harrisburg welcome. [applause] turmeric. [applause] 's argument getting all set up and it's good to be back. we have not talked about the book because i've been waiting to talk about in front of you all. dan, what started the immediate question, why this book? why now? correct some of you may not know we were here together sitting in t these exact shares in mid february of 2020. it was like time for us and we are back. [laughter] after that last but decided that was probably going to be my last book. put that aside is very proud of it ready to some other things. and after the election happened i was really wrestling with t

joining us now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor under president obama and formermbassador to nato evo dalder, president of the chicago council on global affairs president. ben, let's talk about this move by opec. it could not have come at a worse time. it benefits russia with its war in ukraine. it's more profits from oil. iran, obviously, the saudis. white house disappointed. they took that high risk summit on the hopes and the promise many reported at the time they would get some oil relief and there was some interim price relief, but they have raised the prices. >> yeah. andrea, in every way possible this is the worst timing. you have the situation where you have not just the issue of high gas prices here but you have europe getting ready for a very difficult winter when it comes to energy prices. you have the west trying to choke off the oil revenues that are the last remaining life blood of the russian military industrial complex and war machine. you have a u.s. president go out on a limb here with his visit to saudi arabia, but was based on the idea we wante

former obama official ben rhodes he was asked today about that report that really scary report, that iran and china was recovered at mar-a-lago. watch what he had to say. >> people already know that these documents were in an entirely secure location. people wandered in and out of that club. we've seen cell phone videos of people getting drunk at weddings at that club. you are telling me that the chinese government did not try to get people it mar-a-lago? >> charlie, i have gotten drunk at weddings at mar-a-lago, and photographed my husband all up and down that place. luckily, i didn't steal any intel, and it was many years ago. but given how unsecure it is, how concerned should we be? >> while, especially for the documents that were marked top secret, sensitive compartmented information, that is among the highest most carefully guarded secrets of the u.s. government has. and so, from a national security officials perspective, that is truly hair on the fire. you know, we have been trying to figure out what these documents were, and there was some early reporting, though, they were lo

i was watching ben rhodes a moment ago talking about how his family was targeted right after his first child was born. what about the family members of people who are working in high profile pocks within our government? >> i think that's what we're going to see evaluated by the capitol police. >> a lot more from the taxpayers to start protecting families. >>> the capitol police were need to double in size if they start protecting family members but they will find that the need is there. the threat environment tied to politic, rising crime, you flame it, it's out there. and we see on social media that the rhetoric is still out there. and oftentimes, it's targeted at members of congress. you know, the u.s. capitol police following the shooting of gabby giffords several years ago enhanced security at the residences of all members of congress, if they wanted it. these are technological solutions based on the reporting, we know capitol police were not at the residence, because the speaker wasn't there, and i think that's an additional thing that we might see change for the he leadership of

nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, former federal prosecutor paul butler and ben rhodes,nal security advisor to president obama as well as "new york times" politics reporter, jeremy peters. he is the author of "insurgency." let's get to the headline first. ken, to you, the judge's ruling meant steve bannon got to leave a free man in the short-term. notably here, he becomes the first person ordered to serve time behind bars for defying a congressional subpoena in more than a half century. give us a sense of what happened in there and how significant or i guess tough this punishment is. >> it's a cut and dry verdict. the government asked for six months, which was the maximum under the guideline. four is a significant sentence, given this is a misdemeanor. the government asked for a $200,000 fine. the judge imposed $6,500. a mixed message there. the most significant thing in bannon's favor is the judge stayed the sentence pending appeal. bannon was going to walk out of here regardless. for a misdemeanor, you get to report later. it's the reality, he will not serve any time s