joining me now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for barack obama.person. what it is like to know that republicans have your number and they're going to pull the full force the committees and direct it against you? >> it's a little disturbing and a little demoralizing. i think the thing that our connector is benghazi. i have tire marks in my back from that. what happens is when the republicans had control of the house is they did seven investigations in 2012, 2013 and you thought when those investigations didn't find anything, the truth and the facts were out and now we can move on. no. then they started a select committee. and that continued. i frankly didn't end up appearing in front of the benghazi committees until i hit the last year of the obama administration four years after the benghazi attacks. the point being they never stopped. it doesn't matter what the facts are. what the truth is. they just want to continue to show. the show is the only thing they care about. >> i mean, it bears mentioning that you had a job, an important job as a natio

ben rhodes, thank you for your expertise on everything. >>> turning back to the protests in china, it to bring in janice. you said health officials are acknowledging the frustration across china. we still have heard nothing from president xi jinping. >> reporter: the acknowledgement was vague. but they did hint at understanding that people are frustrated with the system, the zero covid system, the old 2020 tools of lockdowns and quarantines and regular testing that people here have grown so tired of. the inspiration for these extraordinary protests that we saw through the weekend. what we saw today, andrea, was the clamping down. that seemed almost inevitable. police fanning out in cities where the protests were held, where the streets had been swelling with people. now they are walled up with barricades as well as guards on duty. people were also having their phones searched by police. they were looking for any images of the protests or messaging apps that could connect somebody to the protests. there was a lot of discussion of that on social media today, people saying they were tak

. >>> and joining us now richard has, and ben rhodes former deputy national security adviser to presidentma. welcome both. ben, this white house was lowering expectations notably for anything to come out of this statement, joint statement, joint agreement, but how do you see the outcomes here and whether or not they could reduce tensions? >> i mean, it's a start, but i think you don't see any big signal of. there's no announcement of a follow on meeting, whether president biden would go to china. you haven't said tony blinken continuing this conversation at a working level. you know, john kerry's been addressing climate change with his chinese counterparts, i think an effort to show that even as we disagree on a lot of things, we can try to find common ground and common solutions on issues like climate. really, i think what comes out of the meeting is the list of things where we have differences and taiwan, obviously, high up on that list, issues related to the global economy, technology, the increasing kind of industrial policy focus of the biden administration that's further breaking ap

joining us now is ben rhodes, the former deputy of the national security adviser to obama, and an msnbccommuniquÉ that peter mentioned, it is a joint statement of nato, the g7 leaders, and president trump. the next line of it says, after the condemnation of russia was clearly's russia's attack on ukrainian cities, which is obviously done by russia today, it then says that we discussed the dust explosion that took place in the eastern part of poland. we offer our full support for the assistance with poland's ongoing investigation. we agreed to remain in close touch to determine appropriate next steps as the investigation proceeds. nothing accusatory there, then. >> yeah, i think it is pretty notable, lawrence, that in that statement and in biden's statement publicly, they are kind of lowering the temperature here. obviously if there is a deliberate russian missile attack on a nato country, on the soil of a nato country, that is a matter of the most serious international consequences. we have a commitment to the defense of nato soil, and if russia intended this attack it could potentially

ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for president about obama.for many, many months on. and thanks for being here in event. >> thanks alex. >> still ahead tonight. senate democrats will hold on to the majority in congress, but when it comes to the senate runoff in georgia, democrats are not taking chances. and a generous six committee might be wrapping things up, but earlier today, investigator spoke to someone who might know what was going to donald trump said as his supporters broke into the u.s. capital. more of that coming up next. stay with us. stay with us ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good! ♪ ♪ flonase headache and allergy relief. no two dreams are the same. but there is one van equipped to handle them all. for over 120 years, mercedes-benz vans have been built, upfitted and ready to go. because we believe dreams - shou

. >> joining me now ben rhodes, ben served as deputy national security adviser for strategic communicationssee you. the president said he did not need the midterms boost to help this meeting with xi, but it certainly can't hurt. the gop losses, it must feel like a shell lacking of sorts. what message does this send to foreign leaders? how are things different today compared to yesterday? >> well, it matters a good bit around the margins. the court issues between the u.s. and china are not going to change because of midterm elections. however, i think american politics is always very closely watched around the world, and a couple things that we'll jump out to people are, joe biden will not be dogged by the with of defeat, and the sense that he's going to be subjected to totaling capacity, to get his agenda moving forward. this will take the senate, that allows them to confirm nominations, keep ambassadors, the wheels of american foreign policy running much more smoothly than if republicans took control. i think also, democracy, american democracy, it has been closely watched. frankly, i thin

joining me now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for president biden, and a mannows well what is to be the objects of insane republican investigations. good to see you. what is it like to know that republicans have your number and they are gonna put the full force of their committees and directed towards you? >> it's a little to stopping a little demoralizing alex. i think, i harken back to benghazi, that's the thing that i've tire marks on my back from. the reality of that is that really republicans had control of the houses that they did seven investigations in 2012, 2013 and you thought when those investigations didn't find anything, the truth and the facts are, now we can move on. no. then they started a select committee in that continue. i frankly didn't end up appearing before one of their benghazi committees to the last year of the obama administration, four years after the magazine tax. the point being, they never stop, and it doesn't matter what the facts are or what the truth is, they just want to continue the show. the show is the only thing they care

i want to play part of what ben rhodes said last night on msnbc about all these supposed, proposed republican-ledestigations. >> they never stop. it doesn't matter what the facts are or what the truth is, they just want to continue the show. the show is the only thing they care about. >> he was actually talking about benghazi which was going on in congress while you were there and i'm guessing the people you worked for, many of them thought there were absolutely legitimate reasons to investigate even though nothing really came of it. i wonder what your take is now on the lines of investigations that republicans are talking about. >> let's start with the fact that it is the job of congress to investigate the administration. that should not be controversial and every time that there's a unified government, the majority tends to not look into the party of their own party. there's nothing wrong on its face with doing investigations, democrats did investigations of donald trump. what jake was saying, focusing on things that people actually care about is really important. and i'll just say, when it com

a couple of our colleagues were also policy people, like ben rhodes, who was very instrumental in president obama's foreign policy. but i did feel like i had some influence in shaping how he talked about something. so specifically, by the time that i got there, i felt like i could kind of help the president be more vocal about his feminism. so i used various opportunities, like essays we, had and then culminating a speech that the white house held in 2016, that i could kind of build up and sort of help him find a voice. give voice to what i knew he truly believed. and that i could push it and see whether he pushed back in a way. i worked on a team of men, so i felt like i had the ability to do that. and to kind of challenge it a little bit. and through each piece of writing about this issue that we did, i could kind of push the envelope a little bit more, little more, so the by the time he gave that speech, and got up in this on stage in front of thousand people that this is why the feminist looks like. and it took, you know, just slowly moving us in that direction and it. and it wasn't, it

but the contrary is true, ben rhodes.is flirting with another run for the white house with no signs that elected republican leaders like mitch mcconnell or kevin mccarthy or anyone else is putting a distance between him and them. what does that do for what you're describing, the normalizing and mainlining of anti-semitism? >> i think it's really dangerous and there are two elements to it. the first is, he's so fixated on identity politics, right? he's the main purveyor of identity politics today. he reduces all of jewish identity in this country to policy related israel. and he fails to recognize or maybe just doesn't care how anti-semitic that is to basically say that the only thing a jewish american should care about is donald trump's positions on israel. reducing people just to identity is part of the problem. but the bigger problem is how much it can lead to the kind of historical conspiracy theorys that lead to very real violence. this is the one world government garbage that we see from the qanon type theorys or the

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