another one where he on another halloween picture where ben rosen's daughter dressed up in an elephant costume, comes into the oval office and he lies down on the floor of the office and puts her up in the air. so it's those, like, unique moments that you key in, new over in know they're going to happen. it tells you a lot about his personality, what he is like as a person. and not just the weighy pictures of him in the situation room, or him agonizing over what is happening in syria, those kind of pictures are important and tell you a lot about his presidency but the other ones i mentioned tell you a lot about him as a person. >> host: did the president ever nix a photo you chose? >> guest: didn't really work that way. i think he trusted me if we were going to make public a picture, would pet out an appropriate picture. i think if you look at some of the early pictures we released, where he was dealing with the economic crisis and you would say these are not the pictures you see, his head in his hands. we were in this terrible economic situation, but i was trying be truthful to how he