governor tom ben sasse, mitch daniels it -- and me and two others traveled to afghanistan to see our national guardsmen who were training the national police. we developed good relationships. this is not as hard as it appears. this is what presidents have done since the beginning of time. if you develop trust first, you don't assume the person who doesn't agree with you, they may be wrong and you may disagree with them, but do it with civility. it's not that their motives are bad. it should just that they have bad ideas. you have to rebuild trust. this is where the president has let us down more than any other thing. he should put aside his rigid ideology. he pushes down people who disagree with them to make himself look at her. the next president has to reverse that, and rebuild personal trust and not assume that everyone has bad motives. my experience is, most people in public life have a view about this that they care about the country, they want to move forward, and we have to assume that is the case. and then, argue out where they are wrong and where we might be able to force co