♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> host: we are back live with author ben shapirograde teacher. she was really an inspiring teacher. i skipped their great. i skipped third and ninth. when she was the fourth grade teacher whose class i skipped into, she really gave me maybe the best single piece of advice that i've ever received, which was she turned to me one day and said don't let potential be written on your tombstone, and the we know you are smart. they know you're talented yet we know you can do a lot of things, but it's hard work, turning potential into something relevant that matters. be somebody who does something beyond just being smart at nine or 10 or 15 or 18. to me that was something that matter deeply because i was as a syndicated columnist at 17 i never try to make a big deal because i always nail the nice but not to us you will not be 17 for very long. at a certain point outgrow about name the prodigy at a certain point i work at pakistan on its own merits as opposed to curiosity level as the george vergara damascene 17 euros right as a shock. as a p

ben shapiro the author of five nonfiction books the sixth coming out in january. shadow in michigan. >> caller: -- err, thanks for taking my call. a quick question for mr. shapiro. what is your opinion of how eric snowden has impacted? >> guest: it's interesting because edward snowden, i'm not sure whether he's a traitor or a hero. i don't think it matters. this is one of the things we have to get away from as a society. hero or traitor, who cares. with the information that for the public to know? i think it was very good especially given the fact that a couple of months ago president obama basically declared the war on terror over. if it is over then you don't need to be -- the rationale for president obama has been doing on the level has basically been undermined by president obama blank rhetoric. i'm happy that he brought these revelations to life and i think that the level of scrutiny is higher than it was even contemplated. i was a backer of the patriot act. i probably wouldn't have. this is too much. it's too intrusive and i do feel that it's violating the ba

ben shapiro is a syndicated columnist. good to see both of you. n, there is no way that the white house is going to back this legislation. this undermines the president's signature law, right? >> i can't see how they would back this legislation. somebody has to pay. they have to be folks who have been kicked off of the regular insurance. >> isn't the test going to be whether harry reid is going to bring the bill to the senate floor. is this flpolitical cover or ar we going to see votes on these types of things? >> i hope that we do. i have always maintains that the aca should be delayed and not de denied. i say this from personal experience. in my early 20s i was told that i was uninsurable and just years ago i had life saving surgery. that said, i think it is good that republicans and democrats want to come together and amend this law of the land. >> now we are talking about coming together. no republican voted for this. and you know i have problems with that. when you try to shift one sixth to one fift h of the american economy. let us work with