ben shapiro is an attorney and editor in chief of the daily wire.com. ben, great to see you. go again. >> you too. yeah, exactly. >> what is so objectionable about you? >> what i love the most about this situation is that they don't even see that what i'm saying is so terrible. instead what they say is because i've been met with violence at other campuses, this raises security concerns. they can't keep their own students from assaulting people. so they can't bring in -- >> it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. in the letter -- this is the -- let's see. okay. bob janus. he's the vice president of facilities operation who sent out this e-mail. he doesn't make clear what it is that you say that's objectionable, but he seems to be trying to get cover by saying, if you want dinesh d'souza or dana lash, you can have them, but shapiro, uh-uh. >> i have no idea. i mean honest to god, dinesh d'souza was dangerous enough. the obama administration jailed him. so i have a feeling it has nothing to do with my views. they had a convicted terrorist a couple of years ago speak on campus. she

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here's how ben shapiro explained his departure at the time. "steve bannon is a bully. to the extent that he undercut his reporter in order to support the campaign manager." . ben, you wrote about this. you used to work for steve bannon, here is what people need to know. what is your reaction to him being donald trump's campaign -- really, heading up trump's campaign now? >> i think it's the final consummation of a romance that steve initiated years ago with donald trump. steve has always wanted, in my opinion, to be very close to power. he's latched on to politicians ranging from michele bachmann to sarah palin to andrew breitbart and now donald trump. steve will help him be more focused and down dowuble down which i don't think is bad but andrew spent a lot of time talking about the media complex was a terrible, terrible thing, unspoken assumption that all of the members of the media and now we have the same thing on the right with breitbart and trump. >> why would you argue that bannon giving him advice, that you would presume to be more trump-like and militant would

ben shapiro, tell us about your former boss, who is now the new boss of the trump campaign. >> steve is a very volatile character. i mean, he's somebody who i'm not sure that a lot of people who have dealt with steve who have not been screamed at by steve. but you know, that's sort of beside the point. steve really is just a mirror image of trump. the titanic seems to be going down, and trump is looking for the ner yeast mirrors to make sure his hair looks good for the cameras. breitbart has been a trump problisite as i said when i quit in march. and steve has been at the head of that, all the while presumably maintaining to a lot of the people he was working with that he was not in fact working with or for donald trump. it's worth mentioning that kellyanne conway was a spokesperson for the mercer family. the mercer family was the lead investor in breitbart, and they are also presumably putting money into a trump super pac. that has something to do with what's going on here. when it comes to what bannon's going to do for the campaign, bannon tends to be a svengali figure who looks fo

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ben shapiro, formerly of breitbart, knows the trump campaign's new campaign ceo very well, doesn't like him so much. they join us in just a couple of moments to debate today's move. but first, let's go to carl cameron, chief political correspondent with the very latest from inside the trump campaign. carl? >> reporter: hi, trish. for years when presidential campaigns hit rough patches, they've said, it's time for a reset. and they'll shuffle the deck chairs, move some people around, hire new people. in this particular case, the trump campaign refers to it as an expansion, not a shake up. but the fact of the matter is, the man who'd been running the campaign has now been supplanted by steve bannon. a firebrand conservative, the type of republican who feasts on anti-establishment rhetoric and attacking the institutions of the american body politic. bannon brings to the trump team the type of rhetoric, the type of approach that donald trump himself likes to demonstrate on the campaign trail. bannon is now the top guy. and kelly conway, excuse me, she's been evaluated to campaign manager. n

in july and instead of saying something like i'm sorry that this happened to my former employee, ben shapiro dismissed it and said that shapiro was a whiner. so -- i feel like this has not been addressed by the alt-right or by breitbart or by the trump campaign, if you recall the journalist julia yaffey wrote a profile of melania trump in gq several months ago and received a similar treatment on twitter and on the phone and e-mail. when melania trump was asked about it, she said these people had been provoked by yaffey. >> there's an international sort of component to it as well. let's play a little bit of nigel farrage who led the brexit fight stumping for trump in you wiall in mississippi. >> we reach those people who have never voted in their lives but believe by going out and voting for brexit, they could take back control of their country, take back control of their borders and get back their pride and self-respect. >> are there deliberate connections between groups, even the putin-ite factions around the world and the alt-right in. >> there's definitely a global international component

i had ben shapiro on. he went "on the record" last night. we were talking about this very topic.n't get any protests by the way when i went to cornell and gave a speech. that is the third most liberal school in the country. i'm glad you are being treated well there. >> most place does use common sense. most people do that there are a view. >> yes, open our ears and minds and give people a chance to differing opinions and express themselves. jeff, thanks for that report. and the university of chicago president of college republicans goes "on the record." thanks for being with us tonight. so we just had that report talking about the school and saying, listen, come here, open your mind, be able to express yourself, and you are not going to find safe spaces. >> yeah, thanks a lot for having me. i think that's important to understand about the letter that was just sent out to all the freshman is that, you know, dean ellison brought a very important issue to the forefront of national discussion right now. and the university of chicago comes from a long and storied tradition of staunch

i asked him specifically about ben shapiro, who proves the was editor of breitbart, who emerged as onee site's leading critics and has been attacked on social media by anti-semites, just tweeting horrible things at him and saying things about him and his family. and i asked bannon about that hate that has been directed at his former employee. and he dismissed it, calling shapiro a whiner. amy: explain more the term alt-right. >> as much as bannon wanted to claim breitbart as the platform for the alt-right, the alt-right existed before bannon took over breitbart when andrew breitbart, the site's founder died suddenly in 2012. the alt-right had been around before that. the alt-right term was coined by richard spencer, who is a white nationalists writer and activist who positions the alt-right as a dissident movement that is dissatisfied with conservatism -- which they portray a term you often see people in the alt-right using for a conservative, movement conservative, is a disparaging term in putting the word cuckold in the word conservative. that is how they portray conservatives. this

we saw it in depaul when ben shapiro couldn't speak. come on.med from the intolerant left, from the liberal academia. i think this is a bold and smart move by the university of chicago. >> i am on college campuses all the time. you wouldn't imagine things told to the students. they might hear what i have to say and it might hurt them. >> a great idea. students are going to be better off and more correctly diverse and prepared for the real world as a result. >> amen. >>> the real victims of the clinton foundation scandal. >>> i want to say thanks to our cashin crew for joining us. time to wake up, america. for a very long time i warned that the investigation into the clinton foundation would expose damning evidence that the clintons operate at a level we mere americans aren't allowed to operate at. i reported on the likely corruption, pay-to-play and we are finding more evidence former president was working with the highest american diplomat his wife and appearing to sell -- let me rephrase that, trade governments in exchange for massive amounts

conservative speakers like ben shapiro, remember his case in la, they tried to canningel appearance becausets were protesting, some of his appearances around the country were canceled. to paul in chicago, he had severe protests that kept a lot of people from being able to hear what he said. here at the ufc says that they don't want that to happen. they are trying to make the campus safe for all to participate in. should be noted that the usc, not only one of the most respected colleges or universities in the world, it is also a private school. not buffeted by the political winds that some states have to deal with. it has endowment. endowment of 7.55 billion, with a b dollars on the campus of the usc where the bells are ringing in the background somewhere. lauren and nicole, back to you. lauren: go back to class. nicole: the stars were out for mtv's music video awards and beyonce walking off as the night's big winner. >> i would like to think the the choreographers. nicole: in sports the yankees missed a chance to move up in the wild card race after moving four in a row. and red sox lose gam

in july and instead of saying something like, i'm sorry that this happened to my former employee ben shapirod of dismissed it and said that, shapiro was a winer. so -- and i feel like this has not been addressed by the alt right or bright bart or by the trump campaign, if you recall, the journalists julia wrote a profile of mrs. trump, she received a similar tweet on twitter and on the phone and e-mail. and when mrs. trump was asked about it, she said that these people had been provoked. >> international sort of component to it, let's play a little bit of nigil, stomping for donald trump in and of all places, mississippi. >> we reach those people who have never voted in their lives, but believe by going out and voting for brex it they can take back control of their country, take back control of their borders and get back their pride and self respect. >> now, are there deliberate connections between putin -- there. >> there's definitely global international component to this. we've had expressions of this in new york for a long time and far right parties, one figure that's popular is a politi

editor and chief daily wire.com ben shapiro goes "on the record." ben, great to see you tonight. thanks for coming on the "on the record." you heard the previous guest in some of these lists and this is happening pretty much across this country. there is heated, spirited debate, which you should have about this subject. your thoughts? >> well, i mean, first of all, i think what we are teaching a lot of the kids in college is oversensitivity and perceived victimization is a path toward reward and virtue. the more you feel as though you are oppressed the more people are going to sympathize with you and give you what you want. i think that's a bit of a mistake. better off teaching people not to take everything quite so seriously. that said, i, of course, understand the value of words. i just think i do wonder the university of wisconsin, they use words like privileged, obviously, and that is -- that's obviously a buzz word and if you use words like white privilege which is extraordinarily were common on campuses like udub shutting down white people. assumption is if you are white th

. >> ben shapiro, the editor-in-chief of the daily wire left breitbart, because of disagreements with none said this on cnn wednesday. >> steve doesn't like to enter scenarios that aren't win-wins. if trump wins, steve get to be chief of staff f. trump loses, he gets to be allied with his powerful political figure who has increased the traffic of b reitbart and has the possibility of expanding on tv and has this media empire on the back of trump. >> what does history tell us about vp or presidential candidates going into television? >> we had people like sarah palin. she ran as vice president then finds this home as political pundit, newt gingrich, who was speaker of the house has become well known on fox news over the past few years. we haven't had anything like a presidential candidate who then leaves and actually starts a network or a website. >> we've had stores like ronald reagan into politic, not vice-versa. >> al gore, many years after al gore lost, he made movies, he bought into current tv. >> that may be a lesson, current tv was never able to succeed. al gore never appeared o

where ben shapiro, the conservative journalist, was -- they tried to block him, protesters tried to blockech. his speeches were cancelled at other universities. they don't want that to happen on the campus of the u of c. the student body, though, firing back today,, in the person of te president of the student body saying, and i quote him now, incoming freshmen should be invited to participate with their whole selfs and are being told they must check their compassion and experiences at the door. he said a trigger warning is designs for someone who has become subjected to rape if the subject of rape will be discussed the the classroom. they get warned. that's all it is. but interesting that usually you get the faculty and students kind of aliving together against the administration. not so on this case. take a look at the survey that came out, surveying educators across the country on the subject of trigger warnings. 62% of educators said that would have a negative effect on academic freedom, just 17% said it would be positive. the culture wars go on. >> they do. and may not have trigger w

you know, some conservative speakers have been banned from campuses across the country, ben shapiro comes at cal state l.a. protesters there trying to block him from saying what he wanted to say on campus. they say none of that. response today from the student body saying incoming freshman should be invited to participate with their whole selfs and instead being told to check their compassion and their experiences at the door. he says the dean of students is out of touch and that, you know, safe spaces trigger warnings, he doesn't even know what they are. he says they're not such a bad idea. trish: well, look, let's face it. academia should be a place where there is a freedom to exchange ideas and the idea that they would shut conservatives down because people just don't want to hear it is beyond me. thank you, jeff. that's a good story. >> don't shut anybody down. exactly. trish: good for chicago. we'll be right back you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance compan

ben shapiro, thank you for the time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tonight on "hard ball", new manager kelly ann conway, she will join chris matthewes. that is tonight at 7:00 eastern on "hard ball." still in key swing states, a few steps that donald trump has it take if he want to get himself back into this race. we will take you through what the three most important things donald trump has to do are ahead. >>> plus, some of the worst conditions firefighters could possibly imagine. 100 degree heat. wind. extreme low humidity and long-term drought. well head out to california, san bernardino county, where a raging wildfire is only 4% contained. >> the fuels are extremely dry and very explosive this time of year. in my 40 years of fighting fire, i've never seen fire behavior so extreme. here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. new alka seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. i'm going to make this as s

. >> and ben shapiro has had a lot to say about this. i want to -- and he was the former breitbart editor at large who ended up resigning over some of the issues happening with the campaign. but this is what he said. first, let's read this part here. this is on "the daily wire." he said "bannon is a smarter version of trump. he's an aggressive hefl-promoter who name-drops to heighten his profile and wooz bigger names and uses those as stepstones. he will run anyone who impedes his unending ambition and will use anybody to get where he needs to go." that is the profile you did of donald trump, somebody who is sort of narcissism and seems to need to feel like a big-shot is driving everything he does. >> i think this move is emblematic of his behavior throughout his campaign and his career. he populates his inner circle with people exactly like that. i call them mini trumps. these are basically people who not only idolize trump but try to mimic his behavior. they try to mimic his schtick. bannon is absolutely that type. he tries to be a lar

. >> ben shapiro is a former editor at large at breitbart. breitbart's long time chairman who trump just hired last week to run his flagging campaign. >> if the polls continue to not be very good then i would not be surprised to see abandon start edging out other members of the inner team by saying he's been telling trump all along he feels he should joust do what's in his heart. >> i'm not saying she's had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman that we're used to seeing. >> she doesn't have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to. belief me. >> joining me now is the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. become back. >> good morning, chuck. >> let's start with immigration. a month ago you predicted in an interview of the washington examineren evolution on this issue by donald trump. is that what we're seeing here? what is his position specifically on the undocumented immigrants? >> well you are going to find out from donald trump very shortly. he's going to be giving prepared a remarks on this issue i think ve

the site's former editor-in-chief ben shapiro recently wrote -- "breitbart has become the alt-right go-tote, with milo yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers." well to talk more about breitbart, stephen bannon, and the trumump campaign, we are joined by journalist sarah posner. and still with us in heather mcghee. sarah, welcome to democracy now! why don't you talk about what you found. >> i was covering alt-right activities at thehe rnc in cleveland last month. that is where and d counter the cocouple of times the sisite technology editor and the principal link between breitbart and activists onon the alt right. i also met and talked to stephen bannon, who was, at the time, the hehead of breitbart and now the ceo of tmpmp's campaign.. in our interview, bannon told me that breitbartrt is the platfom for the alt-right,t, but he denied that the alt-right is a an inherently racist or anti-semitic movement that embraces white nationalism. he said breitbart

misdemeanor conservatives reject the alt-right, ben shapiro, who resigned the publication because ofe with the alt-right. >> that shot through with white sue prem system and anti-semitism. you can see it in the breitbart comment sections. reporter: alt-right is much more. another branch reflected in activism like milo yiannopoulos who openly day, writes for breitbart and goes about college speaking tours, ruthlessly savaging left's obsession with microaggressions and safe spaces and that sort. he gets under their skin. martha: he sure does. how do they come up with the tactics? what is the background here, doug? reporter: they are using the same tactics the left used for generations fighting fire with fire. that is a big part of it, demonstrated in something that mike rowe, the popular host of the dirty jobs show, something he posted on facebook recently. okay to poke fun as trump supporters as uneducated white men but rowe asking rhetorically, i'm quoting if media didn't care about lag of college among black men supporting obama, why do they care of lack of college among white men s

ben shapiro explained it this way. steve bannon is a bully. he has shaped the company into trump's personal pravda. in order to protect his campaign manager. lewandowski was later cleared of assaults fields, but the trump campaign eventually fired him. mr. lewandowski is currently a contributor here at cnn. i'm joined by donald trump supporter, kaleigh, the political reporter for real clear politics, rebecca berg and cnn political and hillary clinton supporter, sally cohn. kayleigh, i start with you. bannon wants trump to be trump. no holds bar campaign. what will we see? >> we're going to see is the perfect balance between trump being trump, but also staying on message. you can look at kellyanne conway, a woman on the top spot, along with steve bannon as two ends of the scale. you've got steve bannon saying be yourself, like we see hillary clinton being a mannequin. talk about populism, this is the perfect team, along with paul manafort to usher in and bring home the win. >> also the disgraced news chief, roger ailes, and also roger stone, a