. >> ben stine, so great to see you. >> honored to be here. when i think of martin luther king jr., i think of a lion, a man of peace and destiny. when i think of al sharpton, a weasel. his purpose is self-promotion. he doesn't care if he's lighting fires or what the consequences are as long as it promotes him. the fact president obama is listening to him, consults him, considers him a pal is terrifying. it is a terrifying moment when the president of the united states listens to a person whose main goal is self-promotion. >> i worry when i see sharpton showing up at the white house, a trusted adviser. i'm thinking you are not. what do you make of that? not that you are a nut. >> the president -- the president as the rest of us do need to listen to all sorts of people. i'm not advocating violence, i advocate, i agree with protest is a good thing. i'm uncomfortable with what ben said, taking somebody and first of all calling them names. i think it's demeaning and petty, you are stooping to his level. >> he calls people names. >> you just called