exposed without their knowledge or consent joining us now is just this is investigative journalist ben swan ben thank you so much for joining us today i think the 1st and most part question here is now where it can be annoying sure but is it actually harmful to the user in most cases it's just kind of sits on your phone and takes up space or is there more to it that we're missing no i think there is more to it than that and it's the problem that we have with so many apps guys over and over we see this problem right which is that many applications go into your system and essentially take information from you that it's they're not really supposed to have or in many cases do. even really need to have so what you'll find is that some of these pre-installed apps will automatically access your camera features your pictures your videos 'd your contacts lists even though you haven't given permission to do so or again it might not necessarily need to do so because we all know that the real product everyone's after is data and so what we see with bloatware is that and i'm sure you guys have experience as