i'd like to come back to ben verwaayen's opening statement because you were challenging whom does capitalisme. and i think, you know, in the united states, at least, it's been almost an order of belief the friedman school of economics are there to serve your shareholders are. are we there really to serve society and serve our customers and in turn serving our shareholders? or is capitalism really there to serve shareholders? do you have a point of view on that? >> well, i think capitalism. i've said it before and againht capitalism without social responsibility creates unsustainable situations that lead to either an economic collapse or a social disorder. no, i think we must be responsible to people greater than just shareholders. >> uh-huh. jacob? >> i'd like -- >> you represent a big shareholder and many holdings. >> i very much echo the prince's view here. i think -- at least in my book it's very clear, if you cannot deal with the different stakeholders, be that your employees or shareholders or society at large, you're going to -- one, you're going to take a very significant risk. there'