people were afraid of ben wade. if he had not been -- if he had been moved, his successor was somebody a lot of people were scared of and that probably played into this as much as anything else. who is next. the devil you know is better than the one you don't. i guess they knew ben wade, too, who was a radical and somebody who championed lack rights. -- black rights. veteran memberar of the cleveland roundtable. we had a debate last year, lincoln's biggest mistake. it was hisargin selection of vice president in -- i live 15't miles from johnson's house. i have been there several times, and if he hadn't been president i would have never gone, but i like to jump to another subject, which frank touched upon in the beginning today, and that is the fact, we have 47 new members. i talked to a couple of them. i was trying to find out if frank was -- where they found out about us and why they joined. .wo of them had a question i'd like you to deal with it. -- so fewere so many black members here. i belong to the cleveland r

people were afraid of ben wade. if he had been removed, his successor was somebody a lot of people were scared of and that probably played into this as much as anything else. who is next. the devil you know is better than the one you don't. i guess they knew ben wade, too, who was a radical and somebody who championed black rights. >> i am a 26 year veteran member of the cleveland roundtable. we had a debate once a year. the debate last year was lincoln's biggest mistake. by a wide margin it was his selection of vice president in but i don't -- i live 15 miles from johnson's house. i have been there several times, and if he hadn't been president i would have never gone, but i like to jump to another subject, which frank touched upon in the beginning today, and that is the fact, we have 47 new members. i talked to a couple of them. i was trying to find out if frank was -- where they found out about us and why they joined. two of them had a question. for me, i would like you to deal with it. why are there so few black