so grant shapps, so i was putting to both grant shapps and to the defence secretary, ben wallace, about. such as proof, but congratulations to them, that's an exciting moment in any one cosmic life, butjust a reminder that this is not a normal job so you can'tjudge it by any normal staff. and yes, this is yet another reminder this week, isn't it, for the umpteenth time, that borisjohnson is not a normal prime minister, and british politics in the 2020s would yet again be likely to be turned down by any publisher looking for a political drama forjust simply being too far fetched. do you reckon it's time to open the studio door and bring in our newscast guest for this week? i think we should. robert buckland, former cabinet minister, formerjustice secretary. so, adam, we've got that thing, haven't we, that awkward social moment when the three of us are back in here, but we can't really have a fourth, cos that's a bit much in these covid times. i'm going to listen to robert buckland, but not see him, cos i'm going to go and sit in your cupboard. give him my love! oh, well, thank you, enjoy

. >> ben, chris wallace announced his departure from fox news last week and i know a lot of the analysis on fox. that largely went on during sort of the megyn kelly, dana perino years while trump was a candidate. jonah goldberg has been live tweeting liz cheney's stewartship. he tweeted to me, the relevance of the text shows all of those people have been shamefully schilling for trump, broadly speaking, their position is that the riot was evil and terrible if conducted by antifa and the false flag operation to make trump support ers look bad, but no big deal if it was perpetrated by trump support ers. how many people appreciate what folks like goldberg are doing but don't have the power and the structure to say so? >> i mean, i think there's a diminishing minority at fox who are appalled by what they're seeing on air. if you work at fox and try to get a job somewhere else, it's a black mark on your resume. it's interesting what steve was saying about how they see their audience. what you hear when you talk to people there is that well, we know some of this is crazy, but we have to respec

the tragedy was that because of actions taken by the ministry of defence and mr ben wallace halfway throughd early in the week by suicide bombs, desperately wanted to get out, holding passports in the air, including british passport holders, and they couldn�*t get into the airport. we could have taken out and in the end it had to leave empty. that�*s a tragedy. there are a lot of people trying to protect their reputation from what was a disgusting, disastrous evacuation. they�*re trying to blame penn farthing and i don�*t think that�*s fair. the prime minister intervened to get people on the priority list to get people on the priority list to evacuate. they weren�*t at the top of the list but we made it very clear that they were at severe risk and he accepted that argument. there is no question that dominic raab was talking to him and there is no question at priti patel knew what was been happening. they were all being lobbied. my social media, i had nearly 18 million shares on the videos and posts on this campaign. it was huge in britain and around the world. yes, the prime minister interv

ben collins, we will talk you on nbc news now at 5:00 at a different angle. that's it for hallie jackson reports. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallaceyork. just in this moment we are in the greatest threat to american democracy is homegrown the author of trump's big lie be that met by the steeliness of the 1/6 committee the moment has been met by a number of federal judge who is see clearly that the insurrection was an attack on the precedent of the u.s. f t.

ben collins, we will talk you on nbc news now at 5:00 at a different angle. that's it for hallie jackson reports. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. ♪♪ >>> hi there, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. just in this moment we are in the greatest threat to american democracy is homegrown the author of trump's big lie be that met by the steeliness of the 1/6 committee the moment has been met by a number of federal judge who is see clearly that the insurrection was an attack on the precedent of the u.s. f t. politico writes, judge jackson quote described the actions of donald trump and others as a key driver of what would ultimately become the violent assault that left 140 police officers injured and four members of the mob dead adding quote jackson termly referred to trch's remarks when she described the goal of those leading the january 6th rally. she said their efforts deliberately stoked the flames of fear and discontent and explicitly encouraged attendees to go to the capitol to fight for one reason and one reason only, to make sure the certification of the election did not happen. her remarks follow commentary fro