terrorists and this is one of the things they found out in connection with the as sags nation of benazir bhutto, those who were localized in the tribal area and the folks who were doing things in afghanistan, suddenly decided the way was open maybe they would go to islamabad so one of the messages to pakistan is, terrorists are terrorists, and we really have got to join in dealing with those efforts. secondly, one of the things we recommend is, you need to have a road map for approaching the taliban, and it needs to be developed with americans, afghans and pakastanis and you have to decide who the various factions are, how best to approach them, who is the best to approach them, the u.s., afghan, pakistan and what is the order? because haqqani is one of i think the candidates for those irrelevant reconcilables and you probably need to approach them in a reconciliation last not first. >> rose: where did things go wrong in afghanistan? some suggest that you had to have the response, after 9/11, to where al qaeda was, and they were in afghanistan, and that was essential and that was the administra