. >> a suburb of islamabad where benazir bhutto had been

. >> a suburb of islamabad where benazir bhutto had been assassinated, and i thought it was fundamental for the commission to see the site and speak to police and speak to witnesses. so we ended up doing that, and in order to avoid the press from following us or anybody that might want us harmed, we decided to, on a ploy putting in a program that we would go at 3:00 in the afternoon the next day, and we ended up going at 5 a.m. in a convoy. and it was all fine and good until we arrived there, and the police put, located about, you know, two blocks a perimeter so that nobody could access the place where we were. and, but we saw people, you know, like two blocks away, and we couldn't find out. one of the commissioners was the former deputy police chief for ireland told me you know who they are? i said, i don't know, can't distinguish. they're journalists. of. >> host: god forbid. [laughter] >> guest: they are a bunch of journalists with cameras and with telephoto lenses, and somebody had tipped them off. and we thought that we had avoided any undue presence, and they were there. the leaki