thanks for asking about benedict anderson. there's material on page 68. hayden white was the vain of my existence when i worked at harvard, but i found a way to work him in. [laughter] yes? >> did any of the individual papers or individuals within the papers go evolve and become mainstream and become well-known in another capacity? >> yes and no. there's one running con secttively since 1965 called the 5th of state from detroit, but it's mutated from the original vision. in the late 70s there was the alternative press, and i see this as the second generation liberal press, commercially oriented, muck muck raking news sheets, the bay guardian is one of them, the papers in the vending boxes, and they, you know, are very left wing, giving the writers personal freedom to sort of go their own way and they allow people to contribute who maybe don't have pedigrees to break into the daily papers. they appeal to young people going after this, you know, 18-34 demographic, covering the arts very well, rock n roll especially and has some of the same qualities as the