her to the shores of the hudson with her baby to watch her to new york city to be reunited with benedict arnoldnd by the way just around the time she arrives in philadelphia she hears about andre being hanged. also mentioned clinton of course, who loves andre and would love to talk about exchanging arnold for andre but he can't because if he gives are now back, what will happen to the other spies? they will never want to work for him so andre is hung. these are just a few of the political cartoons arnold, a double, a pot of gold and another person helping because it is known that he loves money and is greedy. natural engraving of one of the many that went by a this is from philadelphia with arnold with two faces, many bag and the devil. with his effigy and this is berndt. there were riots over the country. not only was the country on red alert because who knew what he already told the british? but where was this going? sova hold gravestones overthrown desecrated and arnold's name is stricken from all military records for review go back, you will not find his name even in saratoga there is nothi

a sort of benedict arnold in this country. >> is it true? were you? >> no.ply holding up the mirror in terms of holding up the wrong illegality. that became a criminal act. >> right. you were charged with ten counts under the espionage act facing life in prison. what did you ultimately get? >> i faced 35 years. i ended out pleading out with a minor misdemeanor. others are in jail, serve time in jail or are facing prison. >> do you consider yourself a hero or a disgruntled employee. >> just an american who took an oath during my government career. >> you told the truth as you saw it because you thought the government was doing something that was extra or unconstitutional. >> yes, particularly with respect to the secret surveillance program. i was there at the beginning when i first blue the whistle but i also blew the whistle on multi-billion dollar fraud. it was all necessary. nifr had to go to the dark side. >> do you identify with edward snowden? is he like you? >> it's a deja vu experience. he's certainly a whistle blower. >> what were the secrets that yo

any kind of comparisons between what snowden may be doing and back to benedict arnold? arnold was one of the best military leaders and he tried to sell out our installation west point. washington tried to hunt him down. he did capture his co-conspirators and he was them hanged. >> peter: let's look at what george washington the in your national capacity must ex halt the pride of patriotism? >> you are an american and you need to follow our laws. what they deny did, he went around the legal tentacles at his disposal and endangered us all and exposed our secrets to our enemies. >> peter: it seems to me in reading some of your book this morning, the founding fathers they faced things they never thought they would face and they came up with solutions. in some way we are groping and looking our own way based on technology, based on a world economy and like that. what is the most important lesson that you learned in reading the thousands of documents from the university of virginia, yale law school. you laid yourself out in this stuff -- what is the most important thing you l

but there are millions of others, from the patent for michael jackson's moonwalking shoes to benedict arnold'syalty oath. many are priceless treasures, which means they attract not only scholars but thieves, more and more of them all the time. getting to the crooks before they get to the archives has become a new priority in law enforcement. as we reported last fall, no one knows more about this than barry landau, a self- described presidential historian and one of the foremost collectors of presidential memorabilia. that's because barry landau carried out the largest theft of these treasures in american history. prosecutors say he is one of the most accomplished con men they have ever encountered. for decades, he was a regular guest at the white house. here he is with president ford and queen elizabeth. he's the guy with the beard. >> president ronald reagan: well... ( laughter ) >> simon: he showed up with president reagan and nancy at the inaugural gala in 1985, and met a whole bunch of presidents-- richard nixon, george h.w. bush, bill clinton. he wrote an impressive, picture- laden book,

turn coats, benedict arnolds are in the field against us. what are you supposed to do to them?> i think there's a legitimate policy. >> don't you shoot back when people are shooting at you. >> constitutional rights when you can sort of put them aside when somebody is an american overseas. but that doesn't mean that the american government is using drones to go after people in cafes or in hong kong and start a war with china. you had ron paul on. >> does ron paul still have his marbles? i'm serious about this. he was giggling about this. >> let me tell you about his son, rand paul who is still in the senate. he sent out a fund-raising e-mail today which he says you know what's next in the government using gps and cell phones to track you. if you go to a gun show. so that's -- they're really extrapolating. they're using this as a cudgel to make an argument against government because they don't want health care. they don't want wall street reform. this is why they're doing this. >> a few years ago i read about posse comitatus. >> the republican party has been in a place where the

but the -- does that mean he should be treated like benedict arnold? not necessarily. but let's not pretend he didn't break the law. however, the president needs to come out and say clearly, if the government knows more about the people than ever before, easier than ever for us to -- for the government to learn about us, it needs to be easier for us to learn about what the government is doing in our name. so we need, at a minimum, much more transparency about the fisa court. much more transparency about what these programs do. that does not jeopardizes national security for there to be more information about these programs. >> i don't disagree with that. i think many of us are uncomfortable with the idea. snowden is now traveling around with four lap tops. and we're not the only ones he should be worried -- >> and it is very possible that he did get china or other adversaries secrets. we don't know yet. >> david, question to you. i want to talk about the sort of legal issues here. so help us understand why it is that snowden would ultimately be trying to go to ecuador.

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he is more benedict arnold than daniel alsburg. >> we know what camp you're in? >> absolutely.is is who you see who your friends are. this guy is a criminal. he stole documents. he took an oath, mara, that he will protect sensitive documents. instead of protecting them, he gave them to our enemies. it looks like it may be in the hands of russia. i'm a guy who served in not just iraq but in congress on the intelligence committee. i've kept dry on this but this guy is a traitor. enough is enough. he is no hero. >> rachel, i want to ask you about everything that's happened with hong kong. what do you make of their behavior here with this? they seem to have punted on procedural grounds saying they didn't have enough information. they let him leave the country freely even though they knew that was the exact opposite of what the u.s. wanted them to do. what's going on here? >> it does feel like a stick in the eye of the united states here. the united states counting on hong kong to work with them. in fact, that process was underway. there were negotiations underway trying to get the

. >> brian: benedict arnold thought we would be better off with the king.ero to some people? i don't think so. >> gretchen: this is why it's such a tough argument issues getting back to what the heart of the argument is because it's really hard to do 100% on liberty or safety. liberty or safety? >> steve: liberty. 11 minutes after the top of the hour. a robber no match for a grandma and her gun. >> back up! >> steve: how that grandma saved the day for her war hero husband. >> gretchen: yesterday he helped us get out of our lease. what's he going to tell us? >> brian: what you need to know before you buy a home. >> steve: he's got jazz hands. >> brian: i think he plays the piano. our landing time got moved back another hour. ( crowd chatters and groans ) hunger creeping up on you ? stash a ritz crackerfuls. made with real cheese and whole grain. don't get caught hungry. ritz crackerfuls. and we help them find a policy that works for them. huh? also... we've been working on something very special. [ minions gasp, chuckle ] ohhh! ohhh! one day the world... no,

our german coach, this was his benedict arnold moment.y and the test and the moment of -- who said germans are not funny? >> certainly not me. the striker that you said had the first touch of a german shepherd. >> second touch. >> chasing a peach ball. >> they had to compensate by hitting everything the first time. clint dempsey went in and lashing in from close range. look at this. this is an american man. >> dempsey 15? >> absolutely. 4-1. a stroll in the park. >> did anyone feel any of the great players play? >> no. >> any german player that played for them. >> this was a very good german. this was none of that starter. >> a german bee side is better than most. >> they are a phenomenal football team. a very interesting game for him to choose ahead of three crucial qualifiers who are now coming up. >> i thought it was nice. it was our 100th anniversary. >> it was great. >> they allowed us to lay with our hands. i think that helps. the third goal you department see. >> you get excited about world cup qualifying. that's coming up on frida

is he the next benedict arnold or the next daniel ellsberg? >> reporter: maybe a little of neither.t edward snowden is a classic whistle-blower. and here's a little subtlety. it took me awhile to learn this because i grew up as a kid in the watergate era so i kept telling everybody that anybody who helped to bring nixon down had to be a good guy. i realized no. the kind of people who leak and whistle blow, often aren't the greatest people in the world. daniel ellsberg who was an incredibly honorable decent man. sometimes they're like the guy who was mad at nixon for not making him head of the c.i.a. with snowden we don't know him well enough to know where he's going to fit in. he seems to have had a colorful life up to this point. he does seem to have political views. driving him. as opposed to a mere anger at somebody or a pettiness. so i think as time goes by, history will tell us whether edward snowedden is a good guy or bad guy or someplace in the middle. but that makes him a classic whistle-blower. because at the end of the day whistle blowing is not about the person. it's abou

these benedict arnolds, fine, they made their call. i don't call that killing americans.ghting the enemy, and the enemy now includes some former americans. now, that's part of the world. i do think, however, the democratic party, now that we're getting partisan here, i think the democratic party has been weakened ever since mcgovern, a sense it wasn't willing to be the daddy party, to use the old term, as well as the mommy party. they're not willing to do the whole job of the presidency. i think this president has not engaged in the waterboarding. he hasn't taken us into countries we shouldn't be at war with like iraq. he hasn't been a dick cheney. that's why democrats have responded differently. i don't think they're the same. i don't think dick cheney and barack obama are the same person. i think barack obama has educated himself since becoming president to the technology we have and understands its value in fighting terrorism. i do think, every time we're going to get hit in the future -- and we will get hit -- there will be questions asked, did we use the weapons for