but first, tonight's top pundits journalist and political commentator benedict spence , model, broadcastere, model, broadcaster and the green goddess herself, diana moran and anarchist and academic doctor lisa mackenzie. great to see all three of you. let me start with you, benedict. nice to see you. and welcome to the show. your reaction to prince harry's latest tv interview and his concerns about his safety and that of his wife. >> i just honestly, it's just it's unbearable to keep on heanng it's unbearable to keep on hearing the same old, same talk about me and my mom loves me. well, no, to be fair , you have well, no, to be fair, you have to keep on talking about this because he keeps on doing about it. it's it were sort of just reaching the stage where, as you said, you'd like to see a reconciliation. i think most people would like to see reconciliation. they'd like to see a dialling down of all of this. but we never get it. we just get more whingeing, more moaning and more complaints. and you have to just say to yourself at some point, if you would like this sort of protection, you k

delighted to have political commentator benedict spence , journalist and model the spence, journalistnd model the green goddess herself, diana moran and academic anarchist and ethnographer. a lady with letters before and after her name lisa mckenzie. great to see all three of you. lisa, whilst we're on, you . yeah, this isn't we're on, you. yeah, this isn't about elon musk. a lot of my viewers and listeners couldn't care less about this man. some people may not even know who he is, but this is about censorship, isn't it? and this is about the ability for any of us to say what we think on the internet. yeah, and i think twitter or x in particular can be very brutal and it can get very, very nasty. >> and there is some crazy stuff out there . but who is it that out there. but who is it that gets to decide who's who's allowed to say crazy stuff and who isn't? yeah. and i think over the last ten years of sort of social media, that's one of the questions that i have constantly asked myself, who is it that gets to decide? and when you've got sort of 4 or 5 men that own all of this, you know

what i'm going to start with you benedict spence. what do you think?r brexit? >> i think there's no doubt that sir keir starmer and certain tendencies within the labour party would like for us to have a closer relationship with the european union. >> i'm certain that many of them would like us to rejoin the european union. i don't think that he is foolish enough to go too fast, too soon, so to speak. i think he understands that the sort of the thinness of his majority in several seats, not as an overall number, but as in several key seats, will make a lot of mps rather jumpy about pushing too hard on anything, particularly controversial for the first couple of years of his premiership. i think he will then, you know, feel out actually where the public are sitting in a couple of years time and whether or not he can chance his arm. i do think that they will move. to, create closer ties on certain things. i think freedom of movement may be some one thing that they look to change. i think certainly things like border control, military cooperation. i think

benedict spence, diana moran and lisa mckenzie. diana. should the tories have stuck with liz truss? don't think so. i think it was all too extreme heat . it was all too extreme heat. alongside her was our , candidate alongside her was our, candidate down in, spelthorne, >> kwasi kwarteng, kwasi kwarteng as well? >> no, i think it was to all too extreme. >> okay. i just think that mark's got a point, hasn't he, lisa? it couldn't have been worse than rishi sunak's electoral performance. >> you might not have been worse, but i don't think it would have been much better, to be honest. i think 40 i think people flooding after 14 years, it had enough. that was it. i don't think there was anything it didn't matter whether they went in october or july or whether they'd gone. last year it was the game was up, it whether they'd gone. last year it was the game was up , it is it was the game was up, it is what it is, briefly. >> benedict i mean , we imagine >> benedict i mean, we imagine if you had a time machine and you give liz truss another year and a half to prove her mettle, where would we

it looked genuinely surprising, didn't he, benedict spence is here.> matthew laza good morning. >> matthew laza good morning. >> can you stop being a bad influence on him? matthew >> i'm going to come back to sitting next to you, giving me all the labour gossip. >> i can't say on air right now. >> i can't say on air right now. >> you just left it, kept it rolling whilst they were just. >> you literally nearly said it on air because we were on the telly. right. listen, let's start with this. rachel reeves, she's going to be talking to us any minute now. our newly appointed chancellor of the exchequer. first woman to do so. is that relevant? i don't know, she's going to bring back house building targets. benedict, how is she going to manage this when she's going to come up against all the same problems that every government ever does, which is people saying, i don't want your houses in my backyard. >> well, this is one of the joys is now sort of a commentator on the opposition. i can just sit there and sort of lob criticisms. it's very easy to criticise