that was the case in benghazi. what it does not authorize is to settle scores. >> what is this talk about settling scores? >> britain -- one day, britain was serving gaddafi's enemies on a plate for torture. >> we will be talking about that later. settling of scores? >> britain was serving gaddafi's enemies on a plate to him for torture. then, they sent in troops to support them and lead them to victory. >> did this change the nature of the conflict? it was inconceivable that of britain, france, and those that supported them would allow this to be anything than what they sought. >> i think that britain should be congratulated for being a threat, for not arming the rebels. i think in the end, it was successful. one of the ways in which we had questions are sometimes suggestions that the military thought that their hands were tied too much. in this case it is correct. vietnam started off with a few advisers and then ended up with half a million troops. >> any kind of commitment would have been fine as long as it was

well i was in benghazi shortly after the revolution broke out and people were absolutely begging for nato to intervene before just before we're there we're also strikes because people go ahead jump into and that's the point of the program go ahead there i mean there always you were in benghazi everybody knows that benghazi is precisely where the opposition was at what a month after that you had huge demonstrations in tripoli in favor of retaining the regime or at least against the nato bombing so you can see the people there was some people that you saw that wanted this and there were others who didn't and the point is that an age old to choose to go with with the ones that they knew that they were arming by the way as we find out later and that they encouraged. to revolt knowing that they could get western support ok dirk want you to. very difficult to find anyone in tripoli and possibly anyone anywhere in libya now to to agree with you on that of course there were large demonstrations in favor of gadhafi there were people who were being paid and. i was in a little i was in tripoli

interim leadership and comes amid a rising tide of discontent among libyans riots swept through benghazi at the weekend as thousands took to the streets of the city where the and take it off the uprising began and rage protestors accuse the d.c. of corruption being slow in bringing in reform and favoring former government loyalists there's also criticism from alice that the council's main goal is to secure a western oil interests rather than to stablish democracy. in libya for example who's not so we. may be already had the harvest a little bit in all of north africa with libya goes how does the largest global oil .

opposition is is deeply divided the syrian national council which was set up to model the libyan benghazi transitional council does not reflect the pinion inside syria and it's very clear and by that i mean opposition opinion inside syria most of whom on north sanctions to see assad go even though they are very much in favor of reforms and demanding reforms that take place they fear that external intervention certainly anything on the libyan model would be a disaster internally and would carry the state towards either sectarian civil war. the deputy leader of libya's ruling national transitional council says he's resigning after a series of protests against the country's new leaders on saturday a crowd stormed the council's headquarters in the city of benghazi angry at the slow pace of democratic change protesters threw stones and metal bars of the building in the first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against the gadhafi regime the accused leadership of lacking transparency and

live you went to see them took them to paris they were not risking very much they were sitting in benghazi under western protection whatever happened to the rest of this is they were already taken care of nic this is a this is a ridiculously this is a very very rewarding. so these are guys who went into a sort of support were put in power by the west and if you had been in benghazi and seen the chaos of it in february march there was a spontaneous revolution and the people who stepped forward to join me and to see were completely disorganized there was no western backing for them at the beginning they call western backing later when he was under attack actually from good from good time but i think this was so this was a revolution it wasn't a regime change the writ of revolution came first and then the western backing came . and it was a rebellion if you it was a rebellion that was very quickly an armed rebellion and it is quite normal for governments wherever they are to repress an armed rebellion i'm sure that would happen in the u.k. as the only i did say so anywhere else and we cannot

interim leadership and comes amid a rising tide of discontent among libyans riots swept through benghazi at the weekend as thousands took to the streets of the city where the on take it obvious rising began and range protesters accuse the anti c. of corruption being slow in bringing in of reform and favoring former government loyalists there's also current criticism from alice that the council's main goal is to secure western oil interests rather than to establish democracy. in libya for example who's not to be in the country maybe already had the highest standard of living in all of north africa where libya does have is the largest were global oil reserves and the oil reserve in africa and those with the national transitional council are being supported for in order that they should promote western oil companies western financial interests in libya and the people will just have to be rid of the people have already been killed a little veritable genocide has taken place as we've seen in iraq so in a way the same pattern is repeated over and over again that we are there's a double standar

hopeful and antigovernment protests since the fall of moammar gadhafi with the unrest beginning in benghazi just as it did last year. egypt's parliament is holding its first post revolution session following an election that swept islamists to power but many fear that the party might just extend the ongoing military rule. sanctions keep piling up on iran the e.u. was adopt. crippling set of new sanctions against iran including a block wide on iranian oil your absurd will be for the common good and will make terror wrong to rethink its nuclear program where jews rail and its allies see as a threat corresponding to the latest on the dangers that these sanctions might bring these sanctions on iran it is going to be unprecedented in terms of scale they would like to see a total oil embargo on iran and also possibly targeting be iranian central bank the aim of course here is to financially and economically cripple the iranian economy over its controversial nuclear program which western leaders of long insisted in arguing that is on a dangerous path towards acquiring nuclear weapons which their r

see its most turbulent protests since the fall of moammar gadhafi with the unrest beginning and benghazi just as it did last year. and the e.u. prepares to unveil a strict set of sanctions against iran measures that could well that fire on the blocks fragile economy. gracious set to become the twenty eighth country to join the european union after the proposal was given the go ahead in a national referendum the country's ascension now has to be approved by all current member nations with almost all ballots counted two thirds of voters expressed a desire to join the blog despite the ongoing debt crisis the turnout however just forty four percent pointed to apathy among many towards the issues the build up to the referendum was marred by clashes sent a e.u. protester staged demonstrations right up to the vote as archie's dumbarton records opposition to joining the communion isn't like it's likely to end here. violent scenes in the croatian property it's the country's easy referendum but such a. risk to be made behind me the police turn to the protesters in ways they take and see protest hi

of protests against the country's new rulers saturday crowd stormed the council's headquarters in benghazi angry at the slow pace of democratic reform and demanding the government's resignation protesters threw stones and metal bars at the building in the first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against the khadafi regime the leadership of lacking transparency and want to know how libya's assets are being spent for more and where the country is headed i'm joined by some kind of spokesman for the british civilians for peace in libya. thanks for your time so we see that the first n.p.c. official are leaving moving his post after the latest protests are we going to see others give up as well and quit on demand by the people what do you think. absolutely i think so i think in his afterlife marma good off he is having the last laugh in relation to nato and the and the n t c i mean this has been a revolution of sort of misers and the lynchers of black i mean they turn libya into a war and

turbulent anti-government protests since the fall of moammar gadhafi with the rest beginning in benghazi just as it did last year also ahead. citizens of benton harbor are living from one of them that there's very little effort on the part of whirlpool's that runs everything to try to. involve the community. how giant corporations thrive on government funds and outsource labor as home communities fall apart around bam. gracious set to become the twenty eighth country to join the european union after the proposal was given the go ahead in a national referendum the country's accession now has to be approved by all current member nations with almost all ballots counted two thirds of voters expressed a desire to join the blog the spy to use ongoing debt crisis the turned out however just forty four percent pointed to apathy among many towards the issue the build up to the referendum was marred by clashes and protesters staged demonstrations right up to the vote as artie's tom barton reports opposition to joining the european union is unlikely to end here. violent scenes in the croatian but i

turbulent antigovernment protests since the fall of moammar gadhafi but the unrest beginning in benghazi just as it did last year. croatia is set to become the twenty eighth country to join the european union after the proposal was approved in a national referendum the country's accession now has to be ratified by all current member nations with almost all ballots counted two thirds of voters expressed a desire to join the bloc despite the e.u.'s ongoing debt crisis but turnout however just forty four percent pointed to apathy among many towards the issue the build up to their friend was marred by clashes as anti e.u. protesters staged staged demonstrations right up to the vote as artist humbucking reports opposition to joining the european union is not likely to end here. violent scenes in the croatian. it's the country's referendum that's sitting. behind me the police going to the protest as a. protest his way the situation in. the creation capital and fighting has been going well now police are going to take people away in vans in protest is trying to stop. these protesters say the go

opposition is is deeply divided the syrian national council which was set up to model the libyan benghazi transitional council does not reflect the pinion inside syria and it's very clear and by that i mean opposition opinion in side syria most of whom on not anxious to see assad go even though they are very much in favor of reforms and demanding reforms should take place they fear that external intervention certainly anything on the libyan model would be a disaster internally and would carry the state towards either sectarian civil war so within syria itself as opposed to the exile groups the derived sided there's a very strong support both for. both for settling syrians problems internally through negotiation and not through external intervention. or the director of the conflicts forum in beirut and former middle east mediator i thank you for coming on our team today. thank you very much. libya's a ruling a national transitional council has seen a public fury in the city of benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against colonel gadhafi crowds stormed the council's headquarters

guys who want to do is sort of the support were put in power by the west and if you had been in benghazi and seen the chaos of it in february march there was a spontaneous revolution and the people who stepped forward to join here and to see were completely disorganized there was no western backing for them at the beginning they call western backing later when he was under under attack actually from good from curfews time they this was so this was a revolution it wasn't a regime change the writ of revolution came first and then the western backing came well is there and it was a rebellion in our it was a rebellion that was very quickly an armed rebellion and it is quite normal for governments wherever they are to repress an armed rebellion i'm sure that would happen in the u.k. as the only i did say so anywhere else and we cannot go around the. loop of the world supporting every single uprising in every single country no we just chose it because they don't like gadhafi and i thought this was an easy one this would there was no real armed forces as mr vandeleur have pointed out there was

the country's new leader it's saturday crowds stormed the council's headquarters in the city of benghazi angry at the slow rate of democratic change then demanding the government's resignation protesters threw stones and metal bars at the building in the first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the center of last year's revolution against the khadafi regime they accuse the leadership of lacking transparency and watching know how living its assets are being spent we're now joined by adrian sobriquet expert on north african affairs and international consultant thanks for joining us here on our team lending us here insight so libya's interim leaders were not elected so to what level do you think they're pursuing the people's interests. well i think that first of all we have to understand that when countries are overrun invaded their populations bombed violence is always what it was what for. all those after that we've seen throughout history in vietnam in iraq in afghanistan we've seen the during world war two we have this

the violence escalates and we also know that following the demonstrations in benghazi when crowds of students have been protesting against anti see have been angry about is you sad slow pace of reforms and lack of transparency one of the high profile members of anti c. resigned actually and this resignation was accepted by the chief of anti so so we can see that and to see is trying to. take control of this situation but with actually little success so far. some reflection of that with the latest on libya thank you. well there is a more trouble ahead for libya and only dialogue can stop the country plunging back into civil war but is this segment from russia's a presidential envoy to africa who has just been in a trip to libya he gives us his insight he will be doing so later in the program but for now a quick taste of what's up ahead. it has to take goodwill from all the sides which were involved in a very long lasting conflict which to my personal between the real civil and in some areas of libya of the civil war is not over so the so there is the who does the area as an area of th

violence against libya's brand new interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against colonel gadhafi the accuse the leadership of lacking transparency and want to know how libya's assets would be used radio host and author steven lensman believes protests will continue against the government the crowd see as puppets of the west . i think the government is taking orders from the government in washington and that's the way it's been all about and very good the libyan war the real one we'll be seeing in washington using their proxies sitting in. tripoli. or is all more rebel fighters they complain you know paid promptly they're treated properly. while i was with dried up they have people who were promised they would stay here and these people that have no say whatsoever everything is been secretly in d.c. government ghostface is a puppet which is. serving western interests absolutely any no interest in ordinary libyans the tribes of libya a united in a resistance against needle in a sea m.t.c. government they want the count

protesters stormed the building of the national transitional council's headquarters in the city of benghazi crowds have protested the slow pace of the country is moving towards democracy protesters threw stones and metal bars at the building breaking windows and damaging the car of m.t.c. chairman. hundreds of young men many of whom were wounded in the revolution that toppled gadhafi vented anger at the level of compensation they had received from the interim government they hoped they helped excuse me install the demonstrations have been raging for weeks in benghazi with protesters also demanding more transparency about how the m.t.c. is spending libyan assets radio host and author stephen leatherman believes the crowds are unhappy with the new government serving as the puppets of the west. a couple of hundred former fighters former rebel fighters storm out of it. they used it in grenada it took a little while getting the problem in it blew out the sold out when it they complained you know probably treated properly we were what should what was the drawdown of the people were promised they

interim government that they helped to install the demonstrations have been raging for weeks in benghazi with protesters also demanding more transparency about how the m.t.c. is spending the libyan assets radio host and author stephen london's believes the crowds are unhappy with the new government serving as puppets of the west. a couple of hundred former fighters former rebel fighters stole look out of it in big hours eat they used in grenades took a little while gate to beat a problem in a blue out they they stole our lives they complained you know probably their name treated properly i'd do a lecture while i was would drop out they would have people were promised they would have a say in these people that if you had no say whatsoever everything has been secret in any in t.c. government let's face it is a great western serving western interest that simply having no get interested in ordinary libyans i expect protracted violence i expect a waste a major media yet to ignore it. and you are with me still ahead for you this hour. not just stepping on the moon he could actually stay there

turmoil with his deputy resigning over the suspension of six high ranking council delegates from benghazi insulator.

turmoil with his deputy resigning over the suspension of six high ranking council delegates from benghazi it is the latest sign of discord in the country's interim leadership and comes amid a rising tide of discontent among libyans riots swept through benghazi at the weekend as thousands took to the streets of the city where the antique death the uprising began enraged the protesters accuse the n.c.c. of corruption being slow in bringing in reform and favoring former government loyalists as also criticism from analysts that the country is failing to unite. the gadhafi regime could control the whole of libya could find peace among all the tribes the new regime cannot even control something in one town or one area i mean they turn libya into a war and of the hunting of black skins they're selling off their oil and natural resources and sovereignty to nato and now the thieves that is the rebels they're all falling out with each other so really this is freedom and democracy by nato it's all become very clear people of syria and the people of lebanon and the people of the global south have to

that's after his deputies stepped down when julian suspended six high ranking council delegates from benghazi it's the latest sign of discord in the country's interim leadership and comes amid a rising tide of discontent among libyans riot swept through benghazi at the weekend as thousands took to the streets of the city worthy and take it off the rising began and rage protesters accusing m.d.c. of corruption being slow in bringing in reform. favoring former government loyalists there's also criticism from analysts that the council's main goal was to secure western oil interests rather than to establish democracy. mission in libya but in the country libya already had the highest standard of living in all of north africa where libya does have is the life the largest work global oil reserve and the top soil reserve in africa and that is what the national transitional council are being supported for in order that they should promote western oil companies western financial interests in libya and the people will just have to be rid of the people have already been killed a little veritable genocide

headquarters in benghazi angered by the way the council was handling the country's assets demonstrators three stones and metal bars that the building breaking windows and damaging the car of the head of the mass rallies have been raging for weeks in benghazi considered the cradle of the revolution that toppled colonel gadhafi. an expert on north african affairs says the council's main goal is to secure western oil interests not establish democracy. mission in libya for example who's not in the country maybe already had the highest standard of living in all of north africa where libya does have is the largest global oil reserve and the oil reserve in africa that is with the national transitional council are being supported in order that they should promote wester all companies with some financial interest in libya and the people will just have to be rid of the people have already been killed a little veritable genocide has taken place as we've seen in iraq so in a way the same pattern is repeated over and over again where there's a double standard they say that they are promoting democra

first acts of violence against libya's interim leaders demonstrators have been rallying for weeks in benghazi the epicenter of last year's revolution against the gadhafi regime the leadership of lacking transparency and want to know how libya's assets are being used adrian salvucci expert on north african affairs an international consultant doesn't think the non-elected government is actually pursuing the people's interests. the mission in libya for example is not to improve life in the country libya already had the highest standard of living in all of north africa where libya does have is the largest more global oil reserve and the oil reserve in africa and that is what the national transitional council are being supported for in order that they should promote western oil companies with some financial interests in libya and the people will just have to be rid of the people have already been killed and a little genocide has taken place as we've seen in iraq so in a way the same pattern is repeated over and over again where there's a double standard they say that they are promoting democracy b