i was on two benghazi investigations. one that was a bipartisan investigation done by the house intelligence committee that debunked all these conspiracy theories about hillary clinton, but that didn't reach the right conclusion for kevin mccarthy. so we have this partisan select committee that was chaired by trey gowdy. it had one mission, tear downhillry's numbers. that was a terrible abuse of congressional process and taxpayer dollars. does that mean that you can't have a properly constituted select committee? no. congress can do the job right. but the best way to do it is to form an independent commission like the 9/11 commission, that's outside the political process, and i hope that we can find the votes in the senate to do that. it's clearly in the public interest. but if that doesn't work, we'll have to consider alternatives, not in a partisan way like benghazi, but in a thorough and objective way. but we're going to get answers one way or the other. we're not going to look the other way as a lot of republicans wou

this is what mccarthy said was the purpose of the select committee on benghazi. >> this benghazi committee was only created for one purpose, to find the truth on behalf of the families for the four dead americans. >> he wanted the truth on behalf of the families of those who died. four people died in benghazi. families broken forever. five people died in the january 6 with riots. families broken forever. i don't know how you look at this. some americans' lives matter more than others to mccarthy. he does not want to investigate those american lives lost on january 6. the other reason is that a select committee is not needed because there's a senate investigation going on. mccarthy was fine doing that select committee in benghazi while seven other investigations were going on. eight walls plenty, he was good with eight. still wanted that select committee. there they are on your screen. benghazi deserved a thorough investigation, but it's not just mccarthy twisting himself into a pretzel to please trump and shut down more investigations. take congressman craig pence, the former vice presiden

benghazi, benghazi, benghazi. host: why do you support the commission specifically? caller: according to kevin mccarthy, when ghazi was done by hillary clinton, a less popular candidate for oval office. if you can have hearings on benghazi, which by the way, they, with all due respect, was a war zone. had we flown planes over and ghazi? maybe if those lives could have been saved, we don't know, but we do know that if president trump hadn't been at the capital, that would have been easier to prevent them benghazi was. host: let's hear from ben in baltimore city, maryland. caller: i just don't see how anyone could oppose this. the reason i supported is there's just a lot of questions that need to be answered and i think it needs to be done under subpoena power. the sad part of all of this is that i think bipartisanship and a middle ground is a dinosaur right now. host: what do you think, what do you think this commission will accomplish if it goes forward? caller: some answers to some questions that linger out there about this being something that was preplanned or imp

. >> the same guy who was essential to shaking benghazi leads.terested in investigation. per i was one of the first people to call for a commission but after watching the democrats day after day, hour after hour it's obvious they cannot be trusted in any, way, shape, more than or form to conduct new fair hearing whatsoever. >> join to go analyze the coverage jason chaffetz, former republican congressman and mara liasson. jason: i do think it's a legitimate story. i happened to believe that kevin mccarthy was right. i would not have voted for this. nevertheless, john who was leading the negotiation for the republicans, i think, made the bill better. i think he's a serious congressman from new york. former u.s. assistant -- u.s. attorney, assistant u.s. attorney in syracuse in the crime division and i think there are a lot of thoughtful members who voted for it and a lot of thoughtful members who voted against it because of the partisan nature the way nancy pelosi is doing it and republicans have to expand it to look at some of the other violence t

like the benghazi committee. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable. right? but we put together a benghazi special committee. a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrusting ball. but no one would have known any of that had happen had we not fought and made it happen. >> remember? investigations, commissions, and fact finding their to bring someone down according to kevin mccarthy. if you view this all in the zero-sum terms. if they just stop pretending, or maybe it is a real feeling, for a few reasons. that january six was what it was. an assault on our democracy. and now, the vast majority of the caucus has once again thrown in their luck with the hang mike pence crowd. democratic congressman jim mcgovern of massachusetts manage today's debate. -- commission to investigate january six. he joins me now. i want you to start with responding to this idea that this was some sort of partisan effort from the beginning, were you just steam rolled the republicans. they just got in your way because they want to

>> well, i was thinking about that when the prior block was talking about benghazi. i think the better comparison was the 911 commission, which was a huge attack on the united states. it may have been even bigger because it was inside the united states, january 6th. the 9/11 commission was formed without a lot of fanfare. the key author was a conservative house member from virginia, and it was truly bipartisan. the two co-chairs were lee hamilton who was a mentor and friend of mine and actually the president of the wilson center before i succeeded him in 2011 and tom kane, a well respected governor of new jersey. it functioned flawlessly. it did a huge investigation. it came up with a series of findings and recommendations, one of which was to all author the director of national intelligence, which i worked on in the 2004 with a bipartisan group that was then enacted. the point was we reformed the intelligence community after two fai failures, one, 9/11, and the second, iraq w.d. we did it based on the recommendations of a bipartisan commission. that's the kind of th

remember how different the gop felt about benghazi? two years, longer than congress probed 9/11, watergate, jfk's assassination, pearl harbor. found nothing, except opportunity. mccarthy said, remember how strong hillary clinton was? did benghazi. now look at her numbers. the democrats are not forgetting that, either. especially now. >> holy cow. incoherence. ben benghazi, you chased the former secretary of state all over the country. spent millions of millions. we have people scaling the capitol, hitting the police with lead pipes across the head, and we can't get bipartisanship. >> i don't know if ryan is going to make it. he gets too upset by the game. i've had him on. you've seen him. this bothers him. he's in the wrong place at the wrong time because this is what it is all about until you ask for more. until you start ignoring the players, focusing on the game, and changing it. hillary clinton was grilled for 11 hours on benghazi. i've never seen anybody stand up for a duration of questioning like she did. 11 hours, and they got n

there is no bipartisanship. >> that example about benghazi, apples to apples. they put together a select committee which precisely, what the threat that hangs over all this from jim mcgovern was, the republicans cut right to the chase when they had the chance. >> so many liberals, especially on twitter today, are outraged. and my point is, why not learn from that? instead of complaining about how republicans did, what are you doing? i hate to quote james carville but he said to the foreigner clinton adviser, why are democrats not banging on about this 24/7 in every media interview, in every appearance, every house. imagine if it had been black lives matter that stormed the capitol on january 6th to avoid steegt of trump. do you think republicans would have moved on? do you think republicans would be trying to do a bipartisan deal over that? >> a good question. >> thank you so much. i know did you a full hour on israel and palestine. i'll watch that when i get home. thank you. >> thank you. >>> tonight the trump organization is under criminal investigation, not

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we put together a benghazi special committee. what are other numbers today? her numbers are dropping because she's untrustable. nobody knew that. >> mccarthy publicly backtracked and said he didn't mean to imply it was political. benghazi was important and it deserved a thorough investigation just like the event on january 6th deserved a thorough investigation the capitol attacked by a group of insurrectionists. now it is too late. the lies of that day and the election being stolen, they have taken a life of their own. they are now run rapid. >> you didn't know the footage was from january the 6th. >> doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> okay, these comments according to congress members. >> if there is anybody in this chamber who does not believe it is important to get to the truth on the 6th or who wants to make believe what happened on the 6th did not happen like a typical tourist day at the capitol, they are not fit to serve in this chamber. i have had it. >> i am going to speak to mcgovern in a moment. i want to make a point. it is n

but we put together ai benghazi special select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. now senate republican leader mitch mcconnell is taking a different approach than kevin mccarthy who previously indicated his concerns that such a probe needs to be broader and focus on the violence from last summer, but today when i asked mitch mcconnell directly do you still believe an investigation of a broader scope, he did not go that far and said he's still reviewing it and makes sure that the staff is done in a bipartisan way and it's not a duplicative investigation. >> manu raju, thanks so much. let's discuss. obviously kevin mccarthy helped spread the lie that led to the insurrection. obviously he's a witness. he talked to trump in the middle of the insurrection. is it just self-preservation that's keeping him from doing this? >> i think the way he's looking tat is kind of the way republican leaders have been looking at every decision so far which is through the prism of donald trump and loyalty to donald trump. >> what does donald trump want me to do

i remember those benghazi committee hearings. when they're held in a partisan sort of circumstance as opposed to what would have been a bipartisan, non-political commission, well, you can sort of produce lots and lots and lots and lots of sound bites and lots of questions for current members about who is giving capitol tours, stuff they might not want to answer. >> yeah. i i don't know about you, but i'm pretty sure that donald trump could not withstand 11 hours of testimony. hillary clinton conducted basically a master class, and taken down people mansplaining to her up there. it seems very clear there's only one party interested in doing that. really that begs the question why. if you don't want a bipartisan 9/11-type commission to look at january 6th, why is ha? what are you afraid they're going o to find? i remember when republicans used to be the party that talked constantly ability oversight, about congressional transparency, the only path of truth being through the house of representatives as jim jordan once said. it's som

and i think benghazi needed investigating. that was a tragedy, what happened that day, and should never happen again. but what they were saying at the time was, it's important to know why something like this could happen. and this didn't happen in libya. it happened on our doorstep. it happened in our front yard, at the united states capitol, to not want to know more about that, to not want to ask questions on the record and find out how to prevent this from happening again, is completely indefensible. it's indefensible. there's no good reason other than you think it will implicate you. and i think that's what republicans are worried about. >> paul, i guess the big question for nancy pelosi is, does she do something that is under the guise of being bipartisan in the same way this commission was going to be -- we lost paul begala. i'll ask you, s.e. it's up to nancy pelosi. should she just do a traditional select committee which is the majority controls the committee and republicans get to name their people and it just becomes

benghazi.secretary of state all over the country, spent millions of dollars. we have people scaling the capitol, hitting the capitol police with lead pipes across the head and we can't get bipartisanship! what else has to happen in this country? cops, this is a slap in the face to every rank and file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china, if we're going to rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate change, we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality, and you ain't one of them. >> tim ryan of ohio there. the legislation now heads to the senate where it needs support from at least ten republicans to get past the 60-vote filibuster. yesterday, minority leader mitch mcconnell urged his members to oppose the bill, calling the proposal, quote, slanted unbalanced, and argued the ongoing congressional investigations are sufficient. john bresnahan, let's talk with you. the 35 republicans who voted "yes" on this, who said, "yes," there sho

. >> benghazi, you guys chased the former secretary of state all over the country.nt millions of dollars. we have people scaling the capitol, hitting the capitol police with lead pipes across the head and we can't get bipartisanship! what else has to happen in this country? cops. this is a slap in the face to every rank and file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china if we're going to rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate change, we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality and you ain't one of them. >> is he right? >> i think we do need two viable political parties, and i understand the frustration. listen, the issue that you have when you talk about benghazi, you talk about other commissions, this is -- why is 1/6 commission so important? people look at this politically. but it's so important because data is perishable. if we're going to find out the linkages and what radicalized these individuals and stop disinformation flows we have to look at the data on how people were contacting each other.

i sat on the benghazi -- i was a democrat who participated in the benghazi commission.i was trying to get to what lessons needed to be learned and needed to fix. that's what our capitol police officers want. they want to have the support. they have to be out there every day, right now defending us and need the support and need to have the failures be exposed so that we can fix them and not allow this to ever happen again. with or without the republican support i think there can be an investigation and rather it be bipartisan and with everything that representative mccarthy wanted in the commission he got. all of the demands he got and rather be that commission but no reason we can't continue to investigate what happened that day. >> i remember the work that you're talking about. on the benghazi committee. it was in the spirit of post-9/11. and in talking to former national security officials that's what they feel the most urgent piece is here. what did they know about chatter of people going to the capitol preparing for war and where did that alert go? obviously didn't

benghazi, benghazi, benghazi. host: why do you support the commission specifically?aller: according to kevin mccarthy, when ghazi was done by hillary clinton, a less popular candidate for oval office. if you can have hearings on benghazi, which by the way, they, with all due respect, was a war zone. had we flown planes over and ghazi? maybe if those lives could have been saved, we don't know, but we do know that if president trump hadn't been at the capital, that would have been easier to prevent them benghazi was. host: let's hear from ben in baltimore city, maryland. caller: i just don't see how anyone could oppose this. the reason i supported is there's just a lot of questions that need to be answered and i think it needs to be done under subpoena power. the sad part of all of this is that i think bipartisanship and a middle ground is a dinosaur right now. host: what do you think, what do you think this commission will accomplish if it goes forward? caller: some answers to some questions that linger out there about this being something that was preplanned or impro

the benghazi attack took place on september 11, 2012.nificance in the community. what dhs is doing right now is announce a prevention is worth a secure. >> the homeland security alejandro mayorkas says the most dangerous in the u.s. is the h pandemic. what do you think the reasons is? >> we saw all those things come into fight on january 6th. we are unfortunately living in a time where our right wing and supremacists and antiimmigration have been mobilized and inspired by the acceptance and the failure to confront them that they receivered from the former president and to some extent of the conservative movement in this country. >> there has been a rise in violence from groups like the blue boys or the oath keepers or the brproud boys. >> they have been on the move and we are seeing increase incident of violence. i think that are law faurmt and hom i think you are doing the right thing. >> lawmakers officials, you think they have been able to i am primprove their own life. >> you know i hope so. my biggest concern is we went into january

we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today?bers are dropping. why? she's untrustable. no one would have known any of that had happened had we not -- >> i agree. >> remember. >> mccarthy likes a political investigation as long as it doesn't get close to him. finally, he says congress should be more focused on the pandemic and not on this. >> what america wants to start talking about is getting our country back to work, back to school, back to health. >> that is important, but they can walk and chew gum at the same time if they want. he clearly can't, i'm being facetious, finding time for dr. suess as congress was working on covid relief. >> do you like green eggs and ham? >> so much. he's being so hypocritical. why? what is he after frayed of. dan kildee is a chief deputy whip. let's get to mccarthy in a second. this news we've just learned, mitch mcconnell announcing he's opposed to the commission as it is currently drafted. what's your reaction? >> well, it's really disappointing. this is a commission that was formed through n

you know, the benghazi attack took place on september 11th, 2012. so these symbolic dates sometimes have significance in those extremist communities, so i think what dhs is doing right now is, you know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. they're trying to be careful, keep everybody thinking in the right direction. >> the homeland security secretary just yesterday, alejandro mayorkas said the most urgent threat in the u.s. is domestic violent extremism. he's also highlighted the danger of white supremacist extremists. what do you see as the reasons for that, andrew? >> i think the reasons are all around us, don. we ah saw all of those things c to life on january 6th. we are unfortunately living in a time when our right-wing, white supremacist, anti-immigration extremists have been really mobilized and inspired by the acceptance and the failure to confront them that they've received from the former president and from, to some extent, the conservative political movement in this country. so there has absolutely been a rise in violence from

you mentioned the benghazi committee. effort, there was some democratic cooperation. we all remember hillary clinton testify for, what was it, 11 hours? 12 hours? straight answering questions from all questions, including very political questions designed to undercut her looming presidential campaign, so there's a history there of cooperation that we don't see today, as it relates to january 6th efforts. >> and you've all shared all of your reporting, and dealt with all my haranging. i just want to leave everyone with one last piece of information about what a commission could uncover. this is from "the washington post" reporting in february -- rather than appearing appalled, trump was transfixed by the spectacle. he was buoyed to see his supporters fighting for hem. ben sasse told hugh hewitt that he had learned from officials that trump was walking around, confused why other people on his team weren't as excited as he was, as you had rioters pushing against capitol police. >>> garrett haake and phil rucker, thank you fo

sicknick's efforts. >> you mentioned benghazi. i was a reporter that covered it for two years republicans investigated what happened there. this is the hypocrisy of washington and the sad truth of it is it's very ugly sometimes. think about the sicknick family. it one thing for republican lawmaker to hear from a democrat from their vote, from a fellow moderate republican, it's a totally different thing to look the family of a fallen officer in the eyes to hear their pleas to find out more about their son's death and still vote no. if that's not going to change your mind, nothing will. i mean, jamie is exactly right. it's two things, it's trump and a desire to flip the congress, mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy, the leaders in the house and senate decided in order to regain power in congress, they have to focus on one thing and one thing alone, biden and biden's agenda. they see this as a threat. the report probably would have come out in the beginning of the midterm heating up and saw that as a liability. they didn't want to tal

four people, four americans died in benghazi.ides even more died in the capitol insurrection. i find it unfathomable that republicans are standing against an investigation into their own workplace, the attack. >> not to mention the capitol police who have been traumatized and maimed. >> oh, my god, yeah. >> who didn't die but who will be living with some of their injuries mentally and physically for the rest their lives, but one of the arguments that you're hearing from senate republicans is they are already doing investigations. they have reports that are coming from various committees. that said, this is -- this would be different because of the composition. they could take politics out of it, and i think, you know, as has been the last four years what's looming large here is former president trump. kevin mccarthy has been more overt about the fact that he thinks that the majority goes through mar-a-lago, but if he -- because of his fund-raising prowess, because of the percentage of the republican base that gets them to where t

. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping? why? because she's untrustable. nobody would have known any of that had happened -- >> so he supported every single one of the many benghazi investigations none of which produced any major bombshells all of which served a larger political aim, which you just heard him acknowledge there. it was, he admitted right there what you might call an act of political misdirection and the funny thing about words and hypocrisy and misdirection, that is just what he is accusing democrats of today quoting again from his statement given the political misdirections and kou counterproductive nature and the scope that does not examine inter related forms, i cannot support this legislation. given the political mi misdirections as existing house panels can handle the investigating. listen to some of his parties lawmakers, other fellow congressional republicans on the existing panels and see if you can pick out the political misdir

the same thing happened with benghazi. you had multiple committees looking at that and then republicans established a select committee to look at benghazi to consolidate one committee to really take charge of this whole situation. i think that's the same thing hang here with the january 6th commission. >> one of the reasons kevin mccarthy opposed it, he said the duplicative. to the question of the senate, congressman, do you expect this will get the support we've seen leader mcconnell go through his own evolution on the president's egging on or leading the insurrectionists? >> the senate is key. the resolution will pass the house. senate, seven republican votes for impeachment, i would have to think if mitch mcconnell puts his finger on the scale and says he supports this or does not object to it, that this should get the ten necessary republican votes to make it happen. it should happen. the senate political dynamic is quite different than the house. i think mcconnell has been very clear that he wants more distance from d

we put together a benghazi special committee. numbers are dropping because thooes untrustable but no one would have known any of that would have happened. >> i agree. >> of course he agrees. that was six years ago. he told you what he thought invae investigations were about. political attacks. why would he want to be part of one now? he's got one goal. i want to be speaker. he believes he has one way to get there. trump. that's why this is all about the game. see it for what it is. don't forkis on the players. hate the game. from that, mockery we turn to the injustice being committed against the election in the name of advancing the interest of the same lie. one of the most outlandish claims in the arizona fraud it just got debunked. why are some republicans still bent on embarrassing themselves and their state? we'll talk to one who is standing up to his own party. what does it mean that he stands up? what is the destiny of the big lie as it fills a coliseum? next. how great is it that we get to tell everybody how liberty mutual

i mentioned the select committee on benghazi. nancy pelosi could do that.epublican strategy if they decide to hold congressional hearings telly -- televised? are we going to see more of, it was a normal tourist visit? >> you will see republicans fighting this as fearly as possible. they have been shown to do in hearings when it relates to donald trump's activities. [ inaudible ] it's going to be hard to he will, depend on what democrats decide to do. there was frustration of the moderates that the leader -- the gop leader would throw his frontline members under the bus with a deal that he task him with negotiating. i heard that personally from different members. that was not cool. exactly to his point, he needs to make sure he is keeping the moderates in his camp. that's something that's worth watching. >> it is a balancing act these days in the gop conference. thank you so much for being here tonight. stay safe. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> we knew about the pact funded by billionaires that was exporting voter restriction laws to states around the count

democratic leadership saying loudly if that commission doesn't pass in the senate you will follow the gop benghazi model, setup a select committee in the house and investigate the insurrection for as long as it takes? why not say that now? >> well, it's up to speaker pelosi say what she thinks ought be done. but if she were to ask me for advice, i would say just do it. setup a committee. i would love to see even numbers. if you're going to make it appointed by a speaker, then it ought to have the speaker's choices not anybody's els. if she wants to have kevin mccarthy or somebody else make recommendations she can accept their recommendations. but they're not going to participate in a bipartisan committee, then i think speaker pelosi, my advice would be to setup a committee, invite their participation. if they participate, fine. if they don't do as we've done in the subcommittee and going forward with the investigation. >> well, i hope she asks for a advice and takes it. congressman, republicans claim to be the party of blue lives matter. last week there was a vote to give nearly $2 billion to capi

brian, there were 33 hearings on benghazi. for these people to tell the american people that somehow this is not important enough, that we shouldn't have a commission, everyone knows it's bipartisan, everyone knows it was negotiated by the republican in the house. if they turn this down, i think it will be front and center for midterms. >> phil, claire, melissa, can't thank you enough for starting us off tonight. >>> coming up, the attack on the capitol was just the beginning. new signs the fringe is moving into the mainstream of the gop. >>> and later, after today's carnage in san jose, the california governor wonders, to quote him, what the hell is wrong with us. we'll ask a former big city police chief if we've become one nation under the gun. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting under way on this wednesday evening. ng) the ink! dad!!! dad!!! i'm so hosed. yeah, you are. (shaq) the epson ecotank printer. no more cartridges. it comes with an incredible amount of ink that can save you a lot of trips to the store. get

. >> incoherence, no idea what you're talking about, benghazi, you chase the former secretary of stateons of dollars. we have people scaling the capitol, hitting the capitol police with lead pipes across the head, and we can't get bipartisanship. what else has to happen in this country? cops? this is a slap in the face to every rank-and-file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china, rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate change, we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality, and you ain't one of them. >> congressman ryan hit the nail on the head. republicans scream about cancel culture when they literally canceled a member of their own leadership for living in reality and telling the truth. but given the pattern of behavior we've come to expect from the more than republican party, i expect their response to be something along the lines of, we're not crazy, you're crazy. unfortunately, for you republicans, the american voter is looking for more sophisticated argument than the old playground standby, i know you are, but wha

commission that republicans used to look into the benghazi attacks when they controlled the majority. pelosi makes it clear she does not want to go down that path, but when pressed upon this issue today, jake, all she would say is we will ultimately find the truth, so it certainly seems as though she's keeping this option open. >> ryan nobles on capitol hill, thanks so much. a lot to discuss with my panel. jamie gangel, we expect this vote in the next hour. what are you hearing from your sources? how many house republicans will buck leader mccarthy? >> it's 4:06 p.m. i'm hearing between 20 and if you're optimistic maybe up to 38, but when donald trump came out last night at 9:09 and he said, quote, hopefully mitch mcconnell and ketch mccarthy are listening, it was the word went out he doesn't want this. they don't want it. we see mitch mcconnell come out this morning against it, and my republican sources in the house who are in favor of the commission feel that mitch mcconnell really has suppressed the vote so they don't know where it will land. one of them said to me that it was the

i mentioned the select committee on benghazi, nancy pelosi can do that here.he republican strategy if they decide to hold congressional hearings that are televised. are we going to see more of the, it was just a normal tourist visit? >> you're gonna be seeing republicans fighting this as fiercely as possible, that is something that they have been shown to do in different hearings when it relates to donald trump's actions. [inaudible] it is going to be hard to tell, depending on what democrats decide to do. but going to mr. curbelo point there was frustration, i want to highlight that of these moderates that -- the gop leader, the frontline members through them under the bus that he had has them to negotiate. i heard that from different members saying that that was really not cool. exactly to his point, he needs to make sure that he keeps the moderates in his camp to. that is something worth watching. >> it certainly is a balancing act these days in the gop conference, carlos curbelo and olivia beavers, thank you so much for being with us tonight, please stay s

benghazi, investigate, investigate, investigate. let's investigate, let's investigate, hold another investigation. remember trey gowdy? many of those same people were in the senate then and in congress and wanted to reg then. don't want to investigate this. what happened in their own house. so you're against the commission because you don't know what new facts the investigation will uncover. isn't that how investigations work? how are investigations supposed to work? come on, mitch mcconnell. now, let's remember when mitch mcconnell's hypocrisy, when it was on full display when he said this after he voted to acquit the former president who incited the insurrection. here it is. >> there's no question, none, that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. the people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. and having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements,

citizens were killed in benghazi, and they refuse to call a committee. and i think, strategically, it doesn't make sense to me because the original proposition republicans opposed because they didn't have equal numbers on the commission. they didn't have subpoena power. so they asked for all that. they got it. and they said, actually, no, we don't support that either. so now, they are probably going to get the select committee. i think pelosi should go ahead and do that. why not? and they are going to get exactly what they didn't want in the beginning. >> so, david, let's listen to what joe manchin this to say. he put out a video statement. here's what he said. >> choosing to put politics and political election above the health of our democracy is unconscionable. and the betrayal of the oath that we, each, take is something they will have to live with. and every american who watched in horror, as our capitol was attacked on january the 6th, you deserve better and i am sorry that my republican colleagues and friends let political fear prevent them from do

benghazi, you guys chased the former secretary of state all over the country, spent millions of dollars. we had people scaling the capitol, hitting the capitol police with lead pipes across the head, and we can't get bipartisanship! what else has to happen in this country? cops. this is a slap in the face to every rank and file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china, if we're going to rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate change, we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality, and you ain't one of them. i yield back the balance of my time. >> now, there are two schools of thought in republican leadership as to why they don't want to launch an investigation. one is the claim there's nothing to learn they're not already learning through current hearings. the other is that it would be unfair. marcus, a reminder, not only would the commission be independent and mon partisan, it wouldn't be made up of lawmakers, not people you see in congress. it would be outside experts picked by both sides. experts in law enforcement and se

>> you mentioned benghazi. i was one of the reports who covered it. you know, for two years, republicans investigated what happened over there and this is just the hypocrisy of washington. and the -- the sad truth is it's very ugly sometimes. think about the sicknick family. i think it's one thing for a republican lawmaker to hear chiding from a democrat for their vote against the commission. even from the media, from a fellow moderate republican who decided to back this commission. it's totally different thing to look, you know, the family of a fallen officer in the eyes. to hear their pleas. to find out more about, you know, their son's death. and still, vote no. if that's not going to change your mind, nothing will. and i mean, jamie's exactly right. it's two things. it's trump and it's a desire to flip the congress. mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy, the leaders in the house and senate, have decided that in order to regain power in congress. they have got to focus on one thing and one thing alone. biden and biden's agenda. they see this as a thre

>> i mentioned the benghazi hearings -- i would like to see how it's actually structured. don't have a tremendous amount of confidence that congress is going to be able to objectively examine something it played a role in. i think this was the hope of having an independent commission that would be external, that would have individuals who no longer had political aspirations, that were outside of our current tension and moment. but, frankly, by shooting down this proposal that looks like may be dead on arrival in the senate, by shooting this down, we're playing into speaker pelosi's hands. she doesn't want a commission that's going to be emphasizing what she knew and when, what security lapses may have occurred, what failures there were in responsiveness to the events of that day that allowed the security barrier to fall. she doesn't want that. she doesn't want a commission that has a mandate to end by december 31st, 2021. she wants a commission that she can drag out into 2024, and that's what we're handing her. she is being given the tacit ability to run that forward. >> a

i think they made the right decision to make it bipartisan because as you know with the benghazi example, work of committees is just dismissed by people on the other side. >> ryan, so good to have you on all of this stuff. thanks again. >>> still to come -- the trump administration secretly obtained phone and email records of our cnn colleague barbara starr, including her personal email accounts. why? >> plus, the all too familiar story sparking new outrage this morning. disturb ving video. another black man killed after being tased, kicked and dragged by police. >>> and prince william and prince harry are blasting the bbc after a new report finds deceitful methods were used to secure a famous interview with their late mother princess diana. you'll want to hear this. we'll be live from london. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ up to one million dollars. that's how much university of phoenix is committing to create 400 scholarships this month alone. because we believe everybody dese

benghazi? you guys chased the former secretary of state all over the country, spent millions of dollars, we have people scaling the capitol? hitting the capitol police with lead pipes across the head? and we can't get bipartisanship? what else has to happen in this country? cops, thi a slap in the face to every rank and file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china, if we're going to rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality. and you ain't one of them. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: you tell 'em, tim! wow. [ cheers and applause ] wow. unfortunately, he was speaking to an empty room. everyone had left for the day. [ laughter ] this is something. one of the storm trumpers, who is in jail now, the one they called the "qanon shaman." his lawyer appeared on cnn, where he attempted to explain this interesting defense tactic. >> "a lot of these defendants," and i'm going to use this colloquia

they're talking about it almost in the mold of the benghazi investigation, as if that's something they want to try to emulate. is that a good strategy going forward for them. >> why not set up as many committees as you can that have roles that you can control? that would completely undercut what bipartisan constituency rem remains for doing this in a way that is as disassociated from politics as possible in washington, right? if they get to the point where they figure this isn't going to work so let's score what points we can, sure, but it's a different objective than what you're trying to achieve. >> abby, you said benghazi. i don't think anyone wants to repeat that. this was supposed to be a 9/11 style commission. you have to wonder, thinking back, what if speaker pelosi would have said from the get-go, let's form a commission with equal democrats, equal republicans, get buy-in really early. now time has passed, people have gone to their partisan corners. the elections are closer. so many things have happened. you almost wonder, shouldn't this have already been under way? >> was this

this was, you know, in benghazi. we have domestic terrorism in this country right now. got to get to the bottom of it. we've got to find out where it starts, where they are coalescing, and how do we prevent this kind of activity. we're concerned about terrorism around the world. we've got it right here. so if there's a presidential commission created, i am for that, too. but we're not going to play politics with the fact that people have lost their lives. law enforcement officers lost their lives and there was almost a mass killing in the capitol on january 6th. >> congresswoman if you could stay with us. we have other news that i want to get your take on. i'm going to send it to john. >> new overnight, cnn was the first to report that the new york attorney general's office has opened a criminal tax investigation into the trump organization's chief financial officer allen weisselberg. now people familiar with the investigation say it was opened a few months ago by the new york attorney general. it comes just after the new york attorney general announced that that office

there were five investigations of benghazi.ld be various house committees doing the investigations. it just won't be bipartisan. it won't have that same, that same approval. so, for republicans, though, the other risk, it is not just that trump could go after the republicans who voted for such a commission and exile them, like he tries to exile anyone who votes against him, but it is also the entire time the commission is meeting the former president could be making noise about it and try -- and drawing attention even more. judy: in connection with all of this, amy, with the falsehood that the election the november election was rigged and joe biden did not really win, you have these audits going on in a maricopa county in arizona, and georgia and other states looking at this. do we see republicans making headway on these efforts to frankly try to overturn the election? amy: what is worrisome about these is not that the election will be overturned. the election is over. the courts have weighed in. and the legal process has gone,

brian, there were 33 hearings on benghazi. for these people to tell the american people that somehow this is not important enough. that we shouldn't have a commission. everyone knows it's bipartisan. everyone knows it was negotiated by the republican in the house. if they turn this down, i think instead of a leaving this scene for midterms, it's going to be front and center at the scene for midterms. >> philip rucker, claire mccaskill, melissa murray, can't thank you enough for starting us off on this wednesday night. coming up, the attack on the capital was just the beginning it turns out. new signs the fringe is moving directly into the mainstream of the gop. and later, after today's carnage insane jose, the california governor wonders to quote him, what the hell is wrong with us? will ask a former big city police chief if we have become one nation, under the gun. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway on this wednesday evening. dnesday evening. [ suspenseful music ] ♪♪ hey, you wanna get out of here? ah ha. we'

but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she is untrustable. but no one would have known any of that had happened had we not -- >> i agree. >> so he supported every single one of the many benghazi investigations, none of which produced any major bombshells all of which served a larger political aim, which you just heard him acknowledge there. it was, he admitted right there what you might call an act of political misdirection. and the funny thing about words and hypocrisy and misdirection, that is what he is now accusing democrats of today. quoting again from his statement, given the political misdirections that have marred this process, given the now duplicative and potential lip counter productive nature of this effort and given the speaker's shortsighted scope that does not examine interrelated forms of political violence in america, i cannot support this legislation. "given the political misdirections," he says. as he argues that house panels can handle the investigating. so listen