than not, the criticism is challenged and channeled through congressional hearings like we saw in benghaziat the incoming administration is exploring using the military justice system and courts-martial in the context of afghanistan withdrawal? >> i don't think they will get very far under the uniform code of military justice, you cannot be court-martialed for actions that you took that were lawful. you were in criminal cases need some facts to start a case and right now there is nothing that i am aware of that any general has done that would justify a recall to active duty. it is possible under the law. i don't think it was justified here and that this could also be viewed as undue command influence if it happens because the president would be exerting undue command influence by ordering any kind of action against a general. >> let me follow up with you on that, hear me out, what if this isn't about pressing a legal case, what if it is simply about cultivating an atmosphere of fear among military personnel and basically getting them to bend the knee? we have talked about the ways in which

i did grow up in libya -- not to brag -- and i grew up in the city of benghazi, which i'm sure you'vecheckpoint. a lot of these checkpoints back then were controlled by these militias, so like everywhere and when i say militias, i mean groups like isis. i'm not sure if you guys remember them, they kind of fell off. and i think about them sometimes. like oh, no, did they make it through the pandemic, you know? [laughter and applause] which i'm sure they had -- you know those guys famously wore masks. [laughter and applause] so i'm sure isis is doing just fine is the point. and if you are wondering. the reason i was traveling -- you know sometimes when you're at the airport and you go through tsa and they see something your bag you don't recognize so they have to take it out to look at it, the thing they saw in my carry-on was a notebook. they were like we've never seen anything like this before. and then the agent took it and he was like looking inside. and i was like what are you doing? and he was like i just want to see what's inside. and i was like inside the notebook? probably word

have had questions about chaotic or unsuccessful military withdrawals or military endeavors like benghazi, that is typically followed with congressional investigation and hearing, not necessarily with proceedings and courts-martial. how unprecedented is this to move it to the military system of justice? >> you are right to flag that because we have congressional hearings and a lot of posturing that goes on but you have reviews, the 9/11 commission, a very thorough and successful review of how the 9/11 attacks were missed and how they occurred that resulted in major reforms in the u.s. government. you had u.s. military special commissions that have done this before, that is appropriate. court-martial's is extremely unusual. this is a judicial process, possibly people being imprisoned in military prison for misconduct. it is very unusual, is it bluster, we don't know. it is happening. >> david road, thank you for those insights, appreciate it. >>> next up, we get more on trump's pick for defense secretary, pete hegseth, as well as the world, the far right media, and frenchmen podcast could

enough that i'm going to get in your car for the next 8 hours to get from alexandria, egypt, into benghazi, libya. and now obviously i'm here and made it through these things. but some of the things that i've done and that journalists do to get to these places are the greatest risks that we sometimes take. and again eating in some of the places i've been i have had food poisoning and i've the total number of countries. but at one point i ended up in a hospital in pakistan, stan, because the antibiotics i had brought with me weren't doing the trick. so now it's sort of a of a lighthearted side of. what conflict zone journalism is like? yes. there are these moments and the things you see on tv, those tend to be quick, episodic. the rest of the time you're trying to manage the logistics and figure out who's safe to hire as a driver or as a translator, how to get through checkpoints and things like that. and so that's what i often tell people who are expecting, you know, was it dangerous where you scared? i guess i was scared of that cheese. that was literally one of the scariest moments had i

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that have been out there, like, for example, he appeared to have misrepresented his role in the benghazi case. he said at one point he was one of the lead prosecutors, and that's just not true, and other things over the years that have been raised in his background. and so the plan seems to be to install him in an appointed position where he could do a lot of damage and wield a lot of power. let's make no mistake. deputy fbi director, for example, is essentially the chief operating officer. it's a hugely responsible role. or even if they set him loose investigating the investigators because it's clear that that is going to happen in some form, that jack smith and his team will find themselves under some kind of scrutiny. he could make a lot of mischief that way. patel is the personification of maga rage about the justice department and the fbi. he has been the lead in making really what are baseless charges that the fbi has been corrupted, that all these investigations were done with political interference by democrats. i've covered these investigations for two years. there's not a shred