>> benioff: hello, i'm marc benioff, i'm the c.e.o.nioff's become a national figure, an activist c.e.o. who takes public positions on controversial issues. in 2015, he threatened to pull salesforce investments from states that passed anti-gay or anti-transgender laws. now, his cause is equal pay for equal work. this is your passion. >> benioff: this is part of who i have become as a leader, that i believe, as a c.e.o., that i can show other c.e.o.s how to create a great culture in their company. you can't be a great c.e.o. and say that i'm not committed to gender equality today. i-- i don't think it's possible. >> stahl: well, you say that companies have to do this, but you are talking to c.e.o.s, some of whom are telling you, "i can't do this." >> benioff: many c.e.o.s will just simply say, "i'm not interested." i've had c.e.o.s call me and say, "this is not true. this is not real." and i'll say to them, "this is true, look at the numbers." >> stahl: look at your own numbers. >> benioff: look at your own numbers. >> stahl: for many ye