what happened in kosovo in one nine hundred ninety nine that subsequent to what happened it's or benita so when we talk about the war stacked the worst war crime since world war two i think srebrenica is more than appropriate but i would like to focus really on two levels one is the individuals themselves and the crime that was committed against them and the second is in fact what was in mind of the perpetrators which was to ethnically cleanse this territory and to create purely at weekly clear serb territories and that is the other part of this situation that i think is so damned in the context of international law and today's political standards. i'm afraid that while we talk of all the victims as you have introduced the subject it is appropriate people have suffered on all sides but what differentiates what belgrade and its proxy forces in bosnia herzegovina were doing here was to try to create an ethnically pure greater serbia and that would be the same thing as if you took the russian and and they german conflict in world war two and many german suffered but what differentiates the

that when it came to the safe area and i should emphasize here the nato protected zone of strike benita that was betrayed by the u.s. by france by the u.k. at least by the fishes of those countries when they made fact did not allow or did not respect the call of the dutch peace create peacekeepers to intervene with air support once those once the survey it's a safe area came under attack by his forces i believe that was not just an omission i believe that was a yellow signal to allow milosevic and law which to create new facts on the ground to in effect create an ethnically partition bosnia-herzegovina and i think that's the most important we should come point we should come back to i'm not here to speak on behalf of muslims i have a responsibility. benita victims because they were victims during my tenure as bosnian foreign minister all right gentlemen i'm going to have to jump in here it's very interesting to hear what we're going to have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and seventy two states with r.t. . and if you still. want to. plans

countries are doing in the region i may agree or disagree but that's not relevant as that issue of straw benita it is not relevant to the issue of what belgrade tried to do which is after yugoslavia fell apart and after bosnia-herzegovina reluctantly went ahead with its independence and most of these crimes including stepan it's a happened and i should also point out that structure needs is the one that stands out the most not because the numbers there were even higher numbers of people killed in places like prayed or in the sugar out. this threat stands out because of a commitment made by the united nations and nato to defend it as a safe zone and a protected area but it was not and that's where i'm critical of the united states and that's why i'm critical of western europe and nato because they have so easily passed on this responsibility to the dutch into rackley to. general and his forces directly but what about their betrayal of srebrenica so if we want to talk about what the west was doing on july eleventh the anniversary of servants that's where we should focus and in effect what amounts

we need to spread benita victims because they were victims during my tenure as bosnian foreign minister all right gentlemen i'm going to have to jump in here it's very interesting to hear what we're going to have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and somebody to state with r.t. . if you still. want to. first. second. class to a deeper than the. hurt the remains are removed by machinery. is the. least smaller. least. it's the first step. to the. slump the first. slump you can. see. from the sofa to. the first so. welcome back to cross talk of people about to remind you we're talking about sixteen years on. the. slopes. ok michelle if i go back to you in london there is no doubt of it a tragedy occurred in seventy to sixteen years ago i don't think anybody really refutes. that but my question is in remembering that or all the victims of the war remembered in the proper context because i mentioned media earlier and in western media the serbs are just painted as the bad guys all the time in a series of civil wars why has that happened. there is

sixteen years ago the entire region was torn apart by ethnic clashes during the yugoslav war instead of benita became infamous when the united nations stated eight thousand muslim men and boys were massacred by bosnian serb forces today a memorial for the deceased sits in the grounds of a former un military base the sibling it's a memorial ground as well maintained and frequently visited by locals journalists and tourists who get boston from the bosnian capital of what the tourist aren't shown are the thousands of serbian graves that line cemeteries all around us that have been used to region. thousands of people were killed during the balkan wars of the one nine hundred ninety s. but cemeteries like these with entire families of murdered serb civilians only get visited by the very few remaining survivors. but i only comes here all the time his entire family lives here he says a bosnian muslim general is responsible for his best because you know that i was only nine years old when next year or each took away everything i had in life the first he killed my mother then my father and brother i wa

>> there was a night -- i lived in benita canyon where i live now. i was trying to get in the gate. i was so messed up and couldn't remember the code. turned out it was my birth date. but i was driving up and down the canyons. finally i see my ex-wife come down the driveway, get out of the car to let me. in i think she's going to hit me. i deserve it. i'm a scum bag. and she came up and she gave me a hug and said "i just want you to come home". and that broke through all of my craziness and all the disease. and i was suddenly very -- felt very sober. a moment of clarity. and i said, okay. i got to tell you a story. and i lied the whole time. i'd been using drugs. i can't stop. we were about to get married. i can't stop. i thought i could stop at the bachelor party. i'll be using at the wedding. i'll be using forever. i cannot stop. so i surrendered that and it felt good. then she was like, well, you can't live here. so i got in the cab and checked myself in. >> going to take a break. when we come back i want to talk to you about marriage. >> oh, good. >> how you finally cracked it.