brian: from april 29th, 1945, benito mussolini and his mistress.ay: this is the gas station in milan. they had been shot before and murdered. his main mistress. now the corpses are being hanged. brian: how many kids did he have? jay: officially speaking, i think he had five. a lot of the dictators, like other men, have kids off of the books. a lot of them have lots of kids off of the books. and he was a good father on , ceremonial occasions. what do i mean by that? he would swoop in and play the great papa. you know, when there was a crisis or something. but mainly he was busy being dictator of italy. though his children absolutely adored him. it got complicated for his daughter, edda. knee.husband knew silly that is a kind of fine how, do, how-do-you-do. she loved her father and husband, count ciano. there are other daughters until the book whose husbands were killed by their father. that's a very ticklish thing. brian: here's a video of the wedding. edda? jay: she's edda. brian: edda mussolini. you say he had her husband killed? jay: yes. there w

you get a sense of the scale of adolph hitler's power where he and benito mussolini have an empire -- really more german, but they have an empire that stretches across europe and north africa. the sea of red means we have a long way to go in this war. this jeep actually plays an audio track that mimics what it was like to be in the track. -- retreat in kasserine pass. in the retreat, the united states is going to reorganize its forces. general george patton is going to come in, and we are going to drive forward victory in north africa when in may 1943, we win against the germans in battle, guttar,attle of el driving germany out of north africa. unfortunately, it was not a complete the degree because the germans will escape with a lot of men and equipment into italy to continue the fight. so sicily is the next stop on the road to berlin. we are now entering the sicily gallery here at the national world war ii museum. you can see at this map the initial landing where allied forces are going to drop parachutes and then also come in with amphibious landings in july 1943. sicily is going t

he said, i believe this is a direct quote, using the language of the time, he said benito mussolini is the only square politician i know. square means straightforward or honest. the pressure was too much. roach brought out victorio. he wasn't able to consummate the deal. host: so far not that vicious. who is the meanest of all of your 20 dictators? jay: the sons and daughters or the dictators themselves? host: the dictators themselves. jay: there's no way -- i'll give you an answer but with a preface. there's no way you rank hitler, stalin pulpot, others -- i don't think you should get much into the ranking business. saddam hussein. i want to tell you something about mao. i'll give you an opinion. not my opinion, but the opinion of those close to him. there's something especially chilling about him, i would say. he seems to have been devoid of human feeling. he seems to have been so clinical. saddam hussein forgive me for saying so, you can kind of understand. he had a volcanic temper. he was a human being. an outrageous human being. a human being who engaged in great evil. you can sor