they got to the middle of the pack i would go grover they would say kleven, i would say benjamin david sadie harrison, and then they would get very excited and i said we should do a children's book to introduce people to the presidents. to introduce them as human beings and to tell about their families and their siblings, and their pets and hobbies. talk about the central features of their administration without necessarily going into sex scandals, you can talk about race, you can talk about money, you can talk about things that went wrong, but you could communicate love for the idea of a service. the extraordinary variety of people went there. we have people with great physical disabilities who are president for longer than anybody else but cannot stand on their own. we have people who are just [inaudible] [inaudible] >> history disappear and my thought is the word history is mostly made up of the word story plus a hello. we are to be telling our children interesting stories. >> host: and ken will be with us to take our calls. we'll put the numbers up on the screen. . . they moved up to almost parit

they got to the middle of the pack i would go grover they would say kleven, i would say benjamin david sadie harrison and then