over 100 years ago, gentleman stood at this spot, called benjamin disisrael, and it's really important that when everybody talked about somebody being of a certain age and not earning the same as an older person, that we endorse that. i think it's really important we support this notion but at the same time i don't understand why it's a minimum wage and not a living wage. i think people should be earning enough for them to live. and people -- nyps talk about how it will damage our economy or job losses. no. what would damage our economy is giving 40,000 pounds to the richest people in the country, a cut in benefits for single parents and squeezing the lower middle income people in this country. so i think actually, a lot of people suffered in 1998 that the -- people threatened in 1998 that the manipulate wage would ruin our economy, and today it's actually the strongest policy we have introduced in britain. >> thank you very much indeed. now, who have we got from the northwest? we have -- you are from the northwest? >> yes. >> you are. good. just before you speak, i just spotted the en