. ♪ charlie: benjamin hagerty is here. he's better known by his stage name, macklemore.ly two wrappers to ever earn a diamond single. he is back with his first solo album in 12 years. it is called gemini. here is a look at his latest single. ♪ charlie: i am pleased to have him at this table for the very first time. thank you. good to have you here. >> great to be here. charlie tell me the difference : in rap and hip-hop. macklemore: rap is something that you do, and element of the culture. hip-hop is under the umbrella. rap is an element. it is one of the elements of hip-hop. charlie: you are a rap artist or hip-hop artist are both? macklemore: both. i rap and am a hip-hop artist. i think if it resonates with you it is part of who you are. charlie: when did it first pump your heart? macklemore: seven years old. it was the first music that gave me goosebumps. charlie: tell me how you developed. just doing it? macklemore: just doing it. i did not have some crazy talent. i had work ethic. it was a high school group of five of us. i was definitely the worst in the group at t