tom bevan the founder of real clear politics and benjamin weingarten a senior contributor at the federalistank you all for being with me. kt, i have heard it said before that these types of things happen that they normally have been behind closed doors. not there for everybody in the world to witness. have you seen events like this before between your leaders? >> i think with president trump and world leaders i have seen this and other events in the oval office with world leaders. one of the most significant exchanges in front of the cameras. you think about president trump its what he says in private is exactly what he says in public. no whispering can nicely in front of the cameras and then tough talk behind the cameras. i think what president trump was confronted with having just to build a zelenskyy else with an extraordinary guarantee of peace and prosperity for a generation and then somehow zelenskyy decided he was going to blackmail president trump in the oval office into giving ukraine some kind of a security guarantee or a military guarantee or missile defense system. in other word