benny thompson wants to presume guilty rather than and is sent as requires. records that included attorney-client privilege communications. they are just shredding the entire constitution and claiming it is us that doesn't support the constitution paired it's rather extraordinary. but tucker, i guess we shouldn't be surprised. this group that wants to advance a soviet communist style agenda, we shouldn't be surprised that they are using soviet style and tactics to do it. >> tucker: where is the white army here? where are the people -- obviously we can't comply with this, you can't allow -- the country does not belong to dick cheney's daughter, it belongs to americans purdue cannot allow them to eliminate our civil liberties. but our congressional republicans defend a new? they're about to win a big election. who is saying no, we're not going along with this? >> hopefully there will be some congressional republicans, but this is one of the problems with this committee. the resolution for the committee said 5 of 13 had to be appointed after constitution with th

i want to get out of here so you talk to bennie thompson and liz cheney. go. >> thank you. tonight mark meadows became the second white house chief of staff in history to be accused of a crime. before mark meadows, the first and only white house chief of staff accused of a crime was also a republican. in 1974 president nixon's criminal chief of staff bob haldeman, was charged with conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury. he was convicted and sentenced to federal prison. mark meadows was a years old during the first criminal prosecution of a white house chief of staff. so mark meadows learned nothing from the example of bob haldeman. and so tonight a second republican white house chief of staff stands accused of a crime. >> mark meadows has committed a crime, in this case a premeditated one. he thought carefully about his actions and actively chose to stonewall, which you can clearly see in his back and forth with the select committee. >> the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol agreed tonight that mark meadows committed the crime

what benny thompson, broke its most important news yet on live television. beginning with the chairman's announcement of upcoming televised hearings. what >> we are making self-progress. and before too long, we will be out in the open. we will have public hearings. we will tell the story to the american people. but we won't do it -- we will do it when we can tell the story all at once from start to finish. not leaving anyone guessing. and not allowing it to fade into the memories of last week's news. this story is too important. sticks are too high. we have to do this job right. >> chairman thompson, then gave republican vice chair, liz cheney, the opportunity to reveal a series of text messages to mark meadows on january six from donald trump junior who was desperately trying to get his father to do something about the attack on the capitol. well >> as the violence continued, one of the president son, texted mr. meadows. quote, he's got to condemn this sit asap. the capitol police tweet is not enough. donald trump jr. texted. meadows responded, quote, i am

the chairman of the committee, bennie thompson, telling me earlier today that he is sent a communication through his attorney where he has suggested that he may attempt to evoke the fifth amendment to prevent him from testifying. now, thompson told me that's not going to impact their work here tonight. that they still do expect to refer a criminal contempt charge against him that will then be sent to the department of justice. but it just shows, erin, the lengths at which jeffrey clark -- this former department of justice official -- has gone to attempt to avoid having any sort of communication or provide any information to the january 6th select committee. >> all right. ryan, thank you. and you hear the chairman, bennie thompson, has brought the committee to order. let's listen. >> the select committee is meeting this evening to consider a report on a resolution recommending that the house of representative find jeffrey clark in contempt of congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena dually issued by the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capi

bennie thompson said we've given you enough lead time, you've given us documents we'd like to ask yout move forward with a criminal contempt charge. he now joins -- we talked about this earlier, this growing list of people that the committee is really trying to throw the book at by trying to charge them with criminal contempt. steve bannon was the first, he's going through the process first. jeffrey clark, the resolution has passed, but isn't past the house floor which is required. if there had been any question about how they're going to treat meadows, if they're giving him leniency, they are not. they're going forward with the criminal contempt charge. >> whitney, a january 65th emai about deploying the national guard for what? >> this letter does not say, but hopefully we'll get more of that. what is beneficial in my perspective as someone covering this is, once they start to move forward with these criminal contempt charges, we get a lot more information about what the committee knows. these long resolutions that the committee puts out, sometimes they're up to 20 pages or more. th

luckily, congressman bennie thompson, the chairman of the investigation, is now able to join us live.much for joining us tonight. and it's been a busy evening. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> can you explain to us in layman's terms what this means? what we have been prepared for was a vote by your committee on whether or not to refer mr. clark to be prosecuted by the justice department for ignoring subpoenas. four to thank the committee. for being in contempt of congress. this fifth amendment commitment that you made tonight at the proceedings, i'm not sure i understand what the implications of what happens next. >> the implications are we will give mr. clark his right to assert his fifth amendment before the committee should he choose. we have been negotiating since october with mr. clark. we're doing everything we can to show that we're not partisan. that this committee is just trying to get to the facts. as you said, we voted unanimously, tonight, to hold him in contempt. i will go before the rules committee in the morning to propose a rule to go to the floor. we'll call tha

that was mississippi congressman bennie thompson tonight on a surprising new development in the january 6th investigation that congressman thompson chairs. the investigation, members of that committee, did vote tonight unanimously to refer former trump justice department official jeff clark for prosecution by the justice department over refusal to comply with subpoenas from the committee. but mr. clark is also going to apparently be pleading the fifth and invoking his fifth amendment rights to avoid incriminating himself. that was something we did not see coming, and i'm not sure how that factors into his potential contempt committee and what happens next. luckily congressman bennie thompson, chairman of the january 6th investigation committee, joins me live. mr. chairman, sir, thanks so much for joining us live. i know it's been a busy evening. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> can you explain to us in sort of lay man's terms what this means, what we had been prepared for was a vote on your committee on whether or not to refer mr. clark to be prosecuted to the justice department f

i'm going to interrupt you because bennie thompson is starting. let's listen in. >> to declare the committee in recess at any time. i recognize myself for an opening statement. before i start. my statement let me on behalf of the committee offer condolences in kentucky and surrounding states for the devastation they received during the tornados. our hearts and prayers go out to those impacted. i expect many will go on the record. we'll hear from many more informally as we continue to gather facts about the violence of january 6th and its causes. that should put us well north of the 300 mark in terms of witnesses who have given us information. add to that more than 30,000 records and nearly 250 sustaintive tips on our tip line and anyone listening at home tonight, if you have any information you want to share with us, you can find our tip line on the select committee's website. january 6th.house.gov. the court of appeals here in washington ruled quickly in our favor regarding the select committee's work to uncover relevant information and day to da

. >> that was chairman bennie thompson and vice chair liz cheney kicking off the eat meeting the house investigating january 6th. moments ago they voted unanimous lesion 9-0, to refer jeffrey clark for criminal charges. clark is a former justice department official who reportedly plotted with trump in a scheme to invalidate electoral votes of georgia and other states. in other words, an extremely valuable witness who could face criminal liability hmsz. he not only refused to answer questions, he abruptly walked out of his deposition last mont. his lawyer told the committee today the client might invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, that's according to bennie thompson who said clark has agreed to be deposed again on saturday. if he does not pass on saturday, the measure will have to pass the full house of representatives before it is passed onto the justice department who will decide whether to prosecute and charge clark. let me read from the contempt report on clark. it says clark met with white house officials including then president trump to discuss efforts t

perhaps the most important and biggest news was bennie thompson did say the committee is prepared to move forward with the criminal contempt referral of the white house chief of staff mark meadows as soon as next week. now, this is despite the fact that meadows filed a lawsuit against the committee in d.c. district court on wednesday, seeking injunctive relief from the court to prevent him from having to turnover any information or records to the committee despite their subpoena request. now, meadows just a couple of days ago signalled he was willing to cooperate with the committee. he evenhanded over thousands of pages worth of documents. but something changed in the beginning of the week that forced him to change course and not show up for a deposition that was scheduled for wednesday. now, congresswoman lofgren who is a member of the committee, she told cnn she thinks this attempt by meadows to take this to court is nothing more than a delay tactic by meadows. >> it doesn't look like there is much merit to this lawsuit. but, you know, isn't it interesting that while he's out selli

this comes as committee chair bennie thompson told "the washington post" he's particularly interestedit took more than three hours for former president donald trump to call on his supporters to stand down. the delay in time could be a factor in whether the committee decides to make a criminal referral. joining us now, nbc news reporter julie tsirkin on capitol hill. >> reporter: joe, i reached out to the committee about the letter but haven't heard back. this false narrative that the committee is somehow altering or not presenting the texts and documents they receive from witnesses accurately is sort of spreading here in the last week. we saw this from others the committee wanted to hear from, like jim jordan, for example, who accused the committee of altering the text that mark meadows presented to the committee. kerik's lawyer is saying his client will cooperate in terms of delivering those documents and turning those over to the committee and also providing testimony to the committee in mid-january. so this is a win for the committee no matter how you dice it. they get to hear from

final question here is, bennie thompson has been very careful whenever he's asked about subpoenaing certaincongress. whether mccarthy or paul gosar. how complicated is that for that committee? >> i think politically complicated, because the table's always turn. some other -- parties tradeoff running the house, running the senate, running the white house. so you'd want to be careful about setting political precedence for subpoenaing other members of congress. my hope, sort of like charlie brown, lucy and the football, and my hopes are often dashed, is that members of congress would want to simply cooperate, because they're members of this body and they would want to help get give the right answer. i mean -- i know. right, foolish, naive, i understand, but i don't know there's a legal impediment to subpoenaing other members of congress but may be a political one, chuck. >> well, that obviously certainly i think gives something many of those members of congress are thinking about. especially since control of that house chamber may indeed change in approximately a year. chuck rosenbaum, always

. >> tonight, the committee chairman bennie thompson says lawsuit or not, they plan to move ahead next week with a criminal contempt referral. joining us now, the california democratic congressman, house intelligence committee chairman, and select committee member, congressman adam schiff. he is the author of the best-selling book "midnight in washington, how we almost lost our democracy and still could." congressman, thanks so much for joining us. what's your reaction politically and legally to mark meadows' lawsuit against the committee and the speaker nancy pelosi? >> well legally, i think -- by the fact that he produced thousands of documents to our committee which he acknowledges are not privileged. and now, he's saying well i can't come in and testify because it would be privileged? um, he can't have it both ways. and so, i think it's a very superficial filing, meant to try to obstruct and stall. but it won't be successful. we intend to move forward and hold him in criminal contempt and -- and expect and hope that justice department will move with equal -- >> were you surprised b

i asked the chairman bennie thompson about this last night.suggested perhaps the formal process won't take place until next week. remember the committee has already voted out of committee a criminal contempt referral against jeffrey clark. the full house has yet to vote on that as well pend, another deposition opportunity for clark. so the committee has a lot of work to do as it relates to this particular line of enforcement as they try and get information as it relates to january 6th. >> ryan nobles on capitol hill, thanks so much. >>> britain's prime minister getting a visit from the ghost of christmas past after a video no one was supposed to see is made public. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ (sha bop sha bop) ♪ ♪ are the stars out tonight? (sha bop sha bop) ♪ ♪ ♪ alexa, play our favorite song again. ok. ♪ i only have eyes for you ♪ what can i du with less asthma? with dupixent, i can du more....beginners' yoga. namaste... ...surprise parties. aww, you guys. dupixent helps prevent asthma attacks... ...for 3!... ...so i can du more of the things i love

committee chairman bennie thompson is talking about wanting to highlight people who can overturn the elections, state legislators, those who can tell the story, the attempts to overturn the election leading all the way up to january 6th. so we can expect to see a whole host of different characters. as for subpoenas for lawmakers, this is something that will set up a real test for the committee. the test is going to be how far they're going to go to try to get the information they seek from lawmakers. if congressman perry flatly refusing to cooperate with the committee and congressman jim jordan probably unlikely to do so, you know, we'll have to see if the committee's going to subpoena them. they previously sought phone records from lawmakers but stopped short of actually subpoenaing them. it remains to be seen whether the same will be done with their testimony. >> two questions about the former president. first is there any sort of timetable as to whether the supreme court will make a decision about the national archives? and secondly, the committee has kind of hichblted at this, he

bennie thompson tells the "washington post" that he is focusing on then president trump's actions zeroingeased 187 minutes after the riot began. >> you have to go home now. >> reporter: thompson telling the "post" it appears that he tried do a taping several times but he wouldn't say the right thing. thompson now saying that trump's delayed response could be a factor in deciding whether to make a criminal referral possibly for obstructing the proceedings and that others could face referrals for pressuring others to overturn the results. >> men and women of the new york city -- >> reporter: this former new york commissioner is saying that any cooperation he provides to the committee must be made public. ke kerik says that he wants to testify at a public hearing. he worked along side giuliani after the election and attended a meeting to discuss how to keep trump in office. and pete aguilar says that he hopes the supreme court acts fast. >> so the courts have already ruled in our favor. our anticipation that is the supreme court will uphold that ruling in an expedited manner. >> reporter: no

why might the making of that and also trump's silence during the riot be significant as bennie thompsons julie said, the committee is investigating a number of things, not least whether the scope of criminal referrals if trump was complicit in a crime. one of the avenues they're going down, though perhaps not most explosive is whether trump obstructed an official proceeding through action or inaction. this is where the video comes into play. we now know trump made several takes of that video before he posted it to twitter. this was the video supposedly condemning the rioters. the committee wants to know what was being said and done in the takes before the one that became public so' where trump's mind was at, what he was saying publicly and what he was doing privately. >> we also saw the committee now seek ing information from sitting congressmen. congressman jim jordan, scott perry. how significant is this shift of focus to members of congress? >> yeah, i think it's really significant. up until now the committee has been going around the bush a little bit, right? they've been subpoenain

the committee chairman bennie thompson believes they built a strong case. >> this isn't about any sort of privilege or immunity. this is about mr. meadows refusing to comply with the subpoena to discuss the records he himself turned over. >> reporter: as does president joe biden, though he says he hasn't spoken to anyone that the doj is independent of the white house. >> it seems to me, it's worthy of being held in contempt. >> reporter: it's a case built on documents provided voluntarily by meadows. among them his text messages including some from fellow lawmakers. >> on january 6th, 2021, vice president mike pence, as president of the senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. >> reporter: that message read by adam schiff was a legal theory that trump ally jim jordan got from a government lawyer and forwarded to meadows. jordan's office tells cnn. the committee did not reveal the names of the lawmakers texting with meadows in the lead up to january 6th, but they did put them on notice. >> indeed, some of those text

can try to raise a claim of privilege, which is exactly what donald trump did in trump versus bennie thompson. now we have definitive rulings by the federal district court and by the d.c. circuit court of appeals on precisely that point. i don't want people to think that a former president can just assert executive privilege and it works. he can raise the executive privilege as he just did. he got slapped down so far at every level in the federal courts. what's the analysis the court goes through? it starts with the presumption, as you do, that under the american rule of law, everybody owes his or her complete truthful testimony to the congress of the united states if it comes calling with a subpoena just like in a court. that's the presumption and the people have the right to know because this is a democracy. now, what could be cou countervailing to that is some common interest by a president sitting or an extremely compelling interest by a former president. the d.c. circuit court of appeals with judge molette decided not only was there no compelling or extremely compelling reason to overthr

i think bennie thompson suggested, i think it was him, that we'll learn of these names if there's not we won't be surprised by who they are. so i think maybe this is part of a shock and awe strategy. part one is to drop these texts unnamed, have people get real, you know, alarmed by them, and then go ahead and release the names. i think we'll find out who these folks are. >> i want to play some sound from a january 6 rally organizer who says he feels betrayed by former president trump. listen. >> people who committed violence, the people who attacked police officers or defaced the capitol are responsible for their own actions, first and foremost. but the buck has got to stop at president trump. the fact that he delayed for so long responding, i think, really speaks ill of what his intentions were and what he was doing. >> se, what do you make of that? >> yeah. well, that interview with justin stockton, one of the organizers of stop the steal rally, was incredible with anderson cooper. that was one part of it. i was also really taken by the fact that earlier in that interview, he said

really detailed story on this as well where they quoted an aide to the chairman of the committee bennie thompsont to tell it from start to finish over the series of weeks where we can bring out best witnesses in a way that make the most sense. our legacy piece and final product will be the final report. in the months ahead there will be a lot of public hearings which we haven't had over the course of the last several months leading to this report. >> right. >> what do you make of that, the idea of kind of setting the narrative and building out the legacy giving the very diffuse manner in which people view january 6th at this point? >> it tells me that they want to obviously do oversight and accountability which is the role of congress in a pluck forum. that's not terribly surprising, especially given the composition of this committee. it also tells me that we're in a political season and we're coming into one here pretty soon and obviously the -- you know, the democratic-led committee wants to hold the opposition accountable in a way that will remind voters of who was responsible for january 6th

that's his new deposition date that benny thompson outlined yesterday in a short statement last nightry 6th select committee. hear what he had so say last night on msnbc. watch. >> the committee is satisfied that it is genuine, that is there's ample documentation, this is not, yet another ruse, and frankly given his pattern of, you know, spending weeks when we're trying to get his voluntary cooperation, stringing us along, then being subpoenaed, then coming in, and refusing to testify, and then on the eve of holding him in contempt, a new claim, this time, that he's going to invoke his fifth amendment right. that was, among the, all the many disparate claims he made when he showed up for the deposition. he never suggested at that time that he believed what he said would incriminate him. that's a new defense. >> so while the committee buys the defense of a medical condition he said he provided ample documentation, they're not just going to wait around forever. they did take the vote unanimously in the committee, referring this contempt report to the full house for a vote, which is sort

last night, benny thompson, the chairman of the committee said that he would not be surprised when the committee eventually reveals which republican wrote rich texas. we all knew jim jordan was going to turn up to be the author of at least one conspiratorial techs. earlier today, a leak started to spread through the media about which text jim jordan wrote. and only at that point, only then when it was leaking to jim jordan decided that it was time to admit that he wrote a text prior to january six that was revealed by congressman adam shift at the committee's meeting on monday. here is that texas. >> on january six, 2020, one vice president mike pence, as president of the senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all. >> jim jordan couldn't put his hand up on that on monday right away and very proudly said, hey, that was me. that was mine. i sent that text. but he didn't. he stayed quiet. he could've said something all day and all night tuesday. when that tex was making news all over the country and in his congressional d

and so is bennie thompson willing to subpoena members of congress.ed on january 6 and our need to get to the bottom of what happened, i think that he will have to subpoena them. >>en would of the big things on the agenda early in the new year is trump's scheduled deposition as part of that civil fraud investigation in new york and trump is now suing new york attorney general latisha james to try to block her from continuing to investigate his business. katie phang writes this is just another move to deflect and delay. is she right? >> how many litigations has trump filed where he's lost. and i would say that it is probably 99% of them. i think that he has an absolutely zero chance of stopping his deposition. on the other hand, i think that the chances of him testifying on january 7th are very negligible. what he is doing is filing these lawsuits to try to perpetrate delay and delay and delay. and he lost the election lawsuits as well. so that is his strategy. he is trying to play it out in terms of the house and if the house overturns. however, what

. >> reporter: chairman bennie thompson now saying the committee has no choice but to move ahead with criminal contempt of court against meadows. this after meadows was a no show for his deposition. his attorney claims he can't answer questions because he is bound by donald trump and executive privilege. >> the president claimed executive privilege. i'm going to honor that. i'm not going to be the first chief of staff to actually waive that. it's not mine to waive. >> reporter: it's a claim committee members are not buying because meadows wrote extensive limb about his private interactions with trump in his memoir tuesday. >> it's difficult to make the argument that i can write about the events of january 6, i can talk about in my book things that happened on january 6, and things i talked to, including the president, but i can't testify about those things. >> reporter: the committee is very interested to learn more from meadows based on the more than 6,000 documents he did turnover bunch deciding to no longer cooperate. among them, a text message with a member of congress in which me

committee chair bennie thompson said mark meadows, who, remember, is a former house member himself, has. thompson added in a statement, quote, the select committee expects all witnesses, including mr. meadows, to provide all information requested and that the select committee is lawfully entitled to receive. the committee will continue to assess his degree of compliance with our subpoena after the deposition. so a lot could happen there in the middle. vice chair of the committee, liz cheney, tells "politico" the deposition will likely take place next week. nbc news confirming the 1/6 committee interviewed georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger for over four years. he told "the atlanta journal

we were asking these questions last night of chairman bennie thompson and other lawmakers on the committeeittee would not just bring the house back in order for them to vote on this contempt proceeding. but if the house does end up back in session here next week, steph, then it's likely that we will see the january 6th committee do their work, and then later refer this on to the larger house floor, as we've seen them do already with jeffrey clark and steve bannon. >> you also have news on roger stone. what'd you learn? >> reporter: yeah, roger stone, even when he was served this subpoena, said that he wasn't going to cooperate. he was going to plead the fifth. that has now become official, in a letter that he sent the committee through his attorney, saying that he wasn't going to work with them and that he was going to plead the fifth on this. there are a lot of people now at this point, steph, who are saying that they're going to plead the fifth. we know jeffrey clark is one of those people, roger stone is now one of those people. but that's not necessarily a workaround to saying that the

chairman bennie thompson says meadows is providing some records and will appear before the committee evidence meadows will not ever hand over to congress. ryan nobles is south front. so, ryan, i understand chairman thompson's coming out with a lot of e-mails will be provided. what are you learning? >> chairman bennie thompson just telling us a few minutes ago the committee's received more than 6,000 e-mails from mark meadows. now, we don't know specifically what is in those e-mails or how much they will help the committee in their investigation but it does show a level of cooperation with mark meadows that we hadn't seen before. to your point, how far will that cooperation go? his attorney saying today they are ready to have conversations with the committee but they are still concerned about executive privilege. at this point, we don't know how the committee defines executive privilege as opposed to the way mark meadows and his legal team define executive privilege. still, scheduled to be here next week to answer questions. that's where we will really see some substance behind this n

suddenly he's not cooperating, which is why benny thompson -- a legal letter but a political letter -- you're not cooperating now but you've given a 38-page powerpoint demonstration, an email about having the national guard on standby, you shared this with members on the hill. you -- people tell you they're going to try to block the slate of electors, you tell them you love it. they're essentially saying, okay, fine, trump world, he gave us a lot. >> no, that's -- that's exactly right there. you can't take the politics out of all of this on both sides. but what is interesting about mark meadows' book is also where he's so important to allaying the groundwork here if you're the bipartisan committee looking at this which is that trump to varying degrees kind of stonewalled or firewalled his chiefs of staff during his time in office from key information -- remember reince priebus, how hard would it be to be this chief of staff? you have no idea who's coming in and outt d-- out the door. john kelly found himself marginalized quickly. mark meadows, because he took a different tack, he didn

and i think that bennie thompson, the chairman, is actually carrying them out pretty well.ne is transparency to get the whole story out to the american people about what happened. the second one is holding people accountable including making referrals to the department of justice for criminal prosecution. and then the final piece is doing everything you can to make sure that this doesn't happen again. >> so holding people accountable, how are they being held accountable, and in what respect do you expect this is actually going to change people's minds? this is an incredibly divided country. if they're able to even wrap this thing up before november, how is it going to change people's minds? >> well, let me answer your first question about accountability. the chairman has been very aggressive and has offered people a chance to cooperate. and when they haven't, like with steve bannon and mark meadows, they've been referred to the did the department of justice for prosecution. i think that's exactly the tack you have to take with this group of people who believe they're above

we know from the jeffrey clark situation that the committee chairman, bennie thompson, does not expectfifth amendment assertion on a case-by-case basis, a question-by-question basis, so roger stone may not be out of the woods just by pleading the fifth onnen this other subpoena that landed yesterday, a man named james phil waldron, a retired army colonel, who contributed to a powerpoint that the chairman, bennie thompson of the committee has called an lawmakering blueprint for overturning a nationwide election, waldron said he had spoke to mark meadows around that time, he had visited the white house somewhere between eight and ten times and that presentation was used to brief republican members of congress. he has been told to provide documents and he's opinion given a date of january 17th to show up for a deposition. this is, of course, squarely within a committee's parameters for investigations in terms of figuring out all of the events that led to that violent attack on this capitol, stephanie. >> glenn, trump keeps right to block the committee from seeing any white house documents

congressman bennie thompson said meadows had earlier cooperated handing over some e-mails and text messages but failed to answer on the record questions about the attack. >> and even on the side of helping us figure out you're trying to stop us from getting those dances. >> wyoming congresswoman liz cheney read aloud text messages that she says meadows received from lawmakers and supporters on january 6. >> quote, mark. the president needs to tell people in the capitol to go home. >> the vote comes as the panel has already interviewed more than 300 witnesses and has collected roughly 30,000 records during their investigation. >> these non privilege. techs are further evidence president trump's supreme dereliction of duty. >> the measure now heads to the full house for a vote and that vote is scheduled for today. reporting in washington. reshad hudson back to you. thank you for that update was shot. >> well, coming up next on the kron 00:00am morning news. we're going to show you some tech gadgets. you could give people during the holidays. we'll have a look at that once we get back from bre

and of course, he's got that book to sell. committee chairman benny thompson says the select committee is left with no choice, but to advance contempt proceedings, and recommend that the body in which mister meadows once served refer him for criminal prosecution. madeline, what would happen if you or i were subpoenaed to testify or be deposed in a civil or criminal case and we know showed essentially the same thing. so we will be held on what's called contempt of court. it's a crime. we can go to jail for it. we can pay fine for it. if it was a civil case and we were a party to it, the judge can actually issue a default judgment. allow the case to move along and be resolved against our favor . because we weren't present to continue litigating it, but in a criminal matter, if you're subpoena, then you don't appear, you'll end up with that contempt to court charge, go to jail, and paste them fine. may as well color between the lines the way we were raised. lionel quick predictions for abandon and meadows in this. first of all, there's a very important point that's being missed here. they

from the "washington post," committee chairman bennie thompson said in an interview that of particular interest is why it took so long for him to call on his supporters to stand down. an an area of inquiry that includes obtaining several versions of a video trump reported before finally releasing a message 147 minutes after he first told supporters to march on the capitol. quote, it appears he tried to do a taping several times but wouldn't say the right thing. thompson said. basing his statement on information the panel has gleaned from interviews with witnesses as well as media reports about that day, it is donald trump's dereliction of duty as thompson puts it in this new interview with the post that is a key focus of the as it reaches deputy deeper and deeper into trump world with dozens of subpoenas and depositions. and that has led to a serious push on the other side to stonewall the committee with lawsuits not just from donald trump himself, who sued to block the committee from getting their hands on his records. that suit is now going to be before the supreme court. also from t

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right before we came to air congressman bennie thompson, liz cheney, called your lawsuit flawed adding they will continue supporting contempt charges against you, your response tonight. >> obviously congress is going to do what they intended to do. you told me in contempt, this lawsuit goes to the heart of the matter, the fact is we have been trying for weeks and weeks to make accommodations, to share nonprivileged information while protecting the executive privilege donald trump has claimed and what we found is each and every time there was an overreach on the part of the committee and in the last 72 hours, we received a subpoena that want to our telecommunications carrier, was so broad you would have to do some type of legislative contortions to find a legislative reason for that subpoena. they did this without notifying us. we came to the conclusion that they are still going to try to question those personal private conversations i had with the president of the united states and other senior officials in the west wing and quite frankly their scope - i'm between a rock and a hard pla

i caught up with the chairman of the select committee benny thompson before congress broke for recesshe story that they're going to ask the national archives for the white house communications from january 5th and january 6th, if trump made that call to the willard because he called lawyers separately. those calls will be reflected in those records. trump is of course the record they tell you the time and the date, they don't tell you it could get transcripts and the concept of those calls. short of the committee interviewing and getting depositions and testimonies from people involved in the willard operation, it's difficult for them to find out the content of the calls. there is one caveat, they can inform the committee what they learn from those people directly in the room and maybe that's the way the committee goes. there is a lot of caveats here and a lot of things happening for the committee to get at the information it needs to find out what happened and be whether there was some actual conspiracy intent premeditation around attack on the capitol. what's your sense because you

are honing in on conversations that trump had with allies hours before the riot, congressman bennie thompson said the panel will open an inquiry into donald trump's phone call seeking to stop joe biden certification from taking place january 6, hours before the insurrection. and they suggested that house investigators had started looking to investigate his demand that joe biden not be certified as president on january 6. >>> david plus, and mike murphy, plouffe, at the university of southern california, and cohost of the hacks on tap podcast. what does it tell you about the direction they are heading in, do you see a criminal referral coming maybe even against trump? >> again, i am not a lawyer think god, but i think a criminal referral is more likely than not, because the evidence is piling up, to their credit, the committee has been quite aggressive, they should follow the money and they should try to get that narrow band of phone calls. whether or not it has a huge earthquake effect on the election because we are so tribal and dug in, i wish i was more hopeful about, but to get justice, i

in a letter to mark meadows' attorney from the chair of the investigation, congressman bennie thompson today, thompson writes this, quote, despite your broad claims of privilege, mr. meadows has produced documents that you agree are relevant and not protected by privilege, including an email from november 7th, 2020, discussing the appointment of alternate slates of electors as part of a direct and collateral attack after the election, and an e-mail dated january 5th, 2021, the day before the attack on the capitol, regarding a 38-page power point briefing titled election fraud, foreign interference and options for the 6th of january that was to be provided quote on the hill, and also among others, an email dated january 5th about having the national guard on standby. in addition to those documents -- oh, wait, there's more -- chairman thompson also describes, quote, the text messages you did produce to the investigation, including a november 6th, 2020, text message exchange with a member of congress, apparently about appointing alternate electors in certain states as part of a plan that

election results on january 6 and hear from jason miller, a spokes person for the president and bennie thompson said he's focused on what they knew with the misinformation of the fraud they allege in the days leading to january 6. i want to play a sound bite from adam schiff, a member of the panel reacting to another name of mark meadows, the commit tee trying to secure a date for him. >> what each witness we'll have to evaluate them. mark meadows has a book out now apparently describing conversations with the president of january 6 and must have had the permission to discuss the communications and saying previously they're covered by executive privilege. >> reporter: now meadows the former chief of staff to president trump just started to cooperate with the committee and the lawyer says that he will assert the executive privilege when it comes to certain details of january 6. adam schiff said if they're revealed in the book and they're sure to challenge that claim and jeffrey clarke, the committee is expected to haefr from him on december 16 and he like john eastman say they plan to invoke the

and i just want to read a little bit of what chairman bennie thompson said last night. itico" reports that chairman ben 'thompson held court tuesday night offered newsy interesting glimpse into the committee investigating the attack on the capitol. the committee has not had any direct engagement with former vice president penguins. efforts here like everybody else on that day. we will be talking with the secret service about what they did on that day to protect the vice president. we think that's important for the report. i'm aware of some of the books that have come out "i alone can fix it" and i believe robert costa and bob woodward's book deals with it. but tell me what pence's secret service knew that day. >> right. the interactions between president trump and vice president pence really get to the very center of the pressure campaign to try to overthrow the will of the people. and we know that several members of mike pence's inner circle have already been cooperating with the committee, preparing documents to send to the committee, getting ready to sit for depositio

chairman bennie thompson said this week his committee has interviewed 250 people so far.nas like former doj official jeffrey clark and former trump attorney john eastman say they'll plead the fifth. here is what panel member

. >> yes, and just to put that together with benny thompson saying today that they are investigating donald trump's quote unquote action or delay for those three hours, while this was happening. the point -- the thing that donald trump wanted that day was for the vote not to be counted and entered into the record and thereby transferring power. that's the same thing the mob wanted. and so when the mob is there, succeeding in causing everyone to not do that thing -- i mean, it was actually delayed until that night. the question of, well, why didn't trump do something, it was a feature, not a bug. everyone is texting saying, oh no, you have to do something. but look, it's working, it's working. they have delayed it. so for him, they say, yes, they knew they were in there, we wanted to stop it. that's key in that regard. your piece focuses on three different people, kerry, people who are not masterminds, including gina bisignano, and i want to play that sound of her again because it was so striking to me and can you tell us a bit about how she got from beverly hills to the capital and t

. >> the chairman of your committee, bennie thompson, told abc news that the committee would be happy to hear from house republican leader kevin mccarthy and would actually consider sending mccarthy a formal request to appear. do you think that's likely to happen? and how important is it for the committee to hear from mccarthy? after all, he did speak with the president as the attack was unfolding on january 6th. >> well, i think it would be important to listen to what kevin mccarthy has to say. he has, in fact, indicated publicly that he has nothing to hide, that he would be willing to talk further. and i hope that he lives up to that. we know from other republican members who related the conversation he had with the president, that he had some communication. i would like to ask kevin about that. and i expect if he has nothing to hide -- and i'm not suggesting he does -- that he would want to come forward and make sure that we understand all the facts as he knows them. >> congressman zoe lofgren, member of the january 6th committee, thank you so much for your time tonight. i greatly