guest: paula white was a spiritual, protege of benny hinn and also t.d., a famous african-american preacher in dallas. and she's now most famous as donald trump's personal pastor. but she has a large mega church in florida called "without walls." she is a chipper preacher of "more than enough." host: have you met her? guest: i have seen her live a few times at her church. host: was that when you were doing her research? guest: yes, that's right. host: here is paula white, based in florida. [video clip] >> at the beginning of this year, i want you to make a commitment. the first hours of your day give to god. i want you to spend time in prayer. i want you to spend time on his word but it's crucial because he says do not come before me empty handed. for your firstfruits offering -- firstfruits is the full of. it's not the tide. tide is the -- it's not the tithe. tithe is one-tenth of your gross income, it's the first tenth not just any 10th. that is what it redeems the course. the whole of. some of us bring one day. some of us bring one week. some of us bri

and if you were in the charismatic space, we may forget benny hinn was here paula white was here, an institution these major christian organized nations began to relocate to orlando, florida. so in the nineties reformed theological seminary came here campus crusade for christ. the largest church missions organization in world, relocated to orlando and then a litany of other ministries like ligonier pioneers, wickliffe and others began to relocate their headquarters here. well. well, fast forward to a bahner report in 2017 and we learn that the orlando metropolitan area a seven county area has the same percentage of evangelical ills as new york city and seattle. and so mike and i were really affected by that report and began to think through orlando and began to think through why is it that we feel so much different than new york city and seattle? and it wasn't to see that the majority of people who we interacted with who did not go to church used to so in new york city and seattle is very different. people have grown up their whole life, maybe never even been inside a church, but a l