obviously had not been this much, so, it's, it was depressing, and -- >> you talked about how, benny morris and a number of other figures whom you asked, well, do you have any contact with counterparts and basically they say no. >> it's very sad. i had leverage with benny -- lunch with benny morris, a historian who has written all needs books that validate important parts of the palestinian narratives, that there were expulsions and palestinians that field in the 48 war, and there are many controversial books inside israel, and benny has taken a lot of grief for them. when i asked him if he had any palestinian intellectual friends he socialized with, and to my shock he said no. he then explained that he was also quite upset he had not been invited by a palestinian academic institution to give a lecture about his work, and like wise, i'd ask my palestinian friends whether they had israeli friends in which they socialize with, and, you know, this one woman said -- i asked if she learned hebrew, and she said as a matter of principle, i refuse to learn hebrew, but she said that she did socializ

it changes benny morris' mind. he was a two-state solution. >> benny morris wrote about this question in, "tablet" magazine where i work. he argued while there was implosion on the official peace movement, the fact that the figure like binyamin netanyahu embraces the two-state solution proves the success of the israeli peace movement. the -- their fundamental arguments have been absorbed by the bulk of the israeli public. >> right. and yet as the gentleman points out, politically, the peace now movement seems deflated at right -- at best. to answer briefly, how could i have any hope that the plan might be approved of even by a slim majority? well, i think most israeli are still, you know, while they are depressed and pessimistic about the long-term, you know, i talk to israeli academics who, you know, are in their personal lives today most israelis are doing well, the economy is booming, you know, the israel of tel aviv is driven by the high-tech industry. you know, people are well educated, they are doing well, in