let's bring in benoit marc now a terrorism and security expert joining us live here on the program or thanks for coming on so quickly before we get into any speculation at this stage or of course america does suffer from a fairly regular shootings but these these pictures this scene coming out of las vegas nevada seems unprecedented what are your initial thoughts well it does seem quite extraordinary in the sense that it seems to conform to other patterns of attacking the venues where of course people to gather for reasons of entertainment in this particular case through ninety one harvest festival so it does seem to conform to some of the things that seem to have been happening of europe of late namely of course. instances where people are visiting a particular venue on mass and of course the spontaneous and incredibly damaging infliction of violence obviously it's too early to speculate really who could be behind this that the police right now saying it suspected that there are multiple shooters suspected of carrying semi automatic to fully automatic guns you can certainly hear what