i don't mean i love bentham. love the idea of bentham and bentham both his corpse and his ideas play a central role in the narrative of the digital vertigo. cspan: you mentioned twitter. i want to show you a list of the top 10 people in the united states who have twitter followers and look at the numbers and just tell us what this means to you when you see it. we'll look at that bottom, wait, look at the first five. we've got katy perry, who has the most followers at 63 million. justin bieber, up near 59 million. barack obama at number three at, which is 52 million. taylor swift at 50. youtube, who don't think youtube is a person but they have 48 million followers. and at the bottom, lady gaga at 43, britney spears at -- >> guest: these are not the bottom. they are the next five. cspan: i mean the bottom of the 10. justin timberlake at 40 million rihanna at 389 and ellen degeneres at 37. what does that say to you? >> guest: what is says the internet has create ad world not of cultural democracy. it is not what th