in benton harbor they voted for a mayor. they voted for city commissioners. and so then the state can come in and appoint one man or one woman to unilaterally make decisions about collective bargaining agreements, make decisions about selling city assets. the people have no voice? their vote does not count in the city of pontiac? >> pastor, i just find this so hard to believe, that a governor has the power now to appoint somebody who has nothing to do with the city to come in for $180,000 a year, i might add, and start making all the decisions with the citizens having no say whatsoever. do i have that correct? >> you have that right. ed, you find it hard to believe, we thought that the enemy of democracy was in egypt. it turns out that the enemy of democracy is in michigan. michigan is the new mississippi, where you have a governor who puts emergency dictators over cities and school districts and unilaterally makes our voices and our vote null and void. this is happening in michigan. we're so happy to be on the show tonight because we need to highlight the at