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>> and to say he was preoccupied. david: he did it several times! it was not just once. >> better get occupied what's in front of him she's an important witness to the janitor across the country. david: now they are insulting her. >> yes, hope hicks is not a difficult thing to remember. >> it just goes to show how completely these are turning into witch trials. let's turn to something important. what's going on with iran. the media portraying this as weakness. the president pulling back. likening it to when president obama would not step over, would not do something after syria stepped over the redline. just yesterday, not too often when they contradict themselves so quick. just to show they were calling him a warmonger. and today there calling him weak. what do you make of that? >> made sense of the president is being very deliberate. it's a very important decision how he will respond. obviously they will do other things. there are bad actors in that part of the world for a long time. to attack them last night may not have been the correct thing. he did not have congressional support and what difference does it make another day or two? maybe not to do anything. the decision is not to drinking but i promise you they have been put on morning. they will do something like this again, beware.there will be a big hole in the ground. david: i may be making too much of mainstream media they probably don't deserve all the attention but the fact that if president obama had done exactly the same thing, they would have given him another nobel peace prize. right? >> sure. i don't think anybody in that part of the world is sitting there saying, were not going to worry about trump anymore. just like president xi jinping in florida. i think if they continue bad behavior they better be prepared the united states will not tolerate it. david: okay let's switch to pure politics. joe biden did not have a good week. getting called racist by democrats in a democratic fight for the nomination, it is tough. is he really out of it? can he recover from all of this? >> i don't think -- and everett that he was a good candidate. his past performances outside of delaware prove he was not a good candidate. he had one percent of the vote when he ran for president last time. you know he got picked by obama to be the vice president does not automatically make your presidential candidate i think the real issue is trying to find a new leader not an old leader. i think he is sort of reinforcing how things work in the godel days i could sit there with the democrat racist and get along. that is not what they want to hear. they want to hear new energy and i think to a certain extent, i expect him to probably not end up being the nominee. david: you think there is a good chance, better than likely chance that he will not be the nominee?>> being a trump support i would like him to be a nominee because i think you'll be a -- candidate at this point democrats are looking for a new, young dynamic candidate. there 23 or 24. david: most of whom, the young, dynamic candidates went for the green deal. which will cost what, $90 trillion.it would bankrupt the united states just by looking at a peer request will spend the next 18 months explaining how they will be able to put into effect. but i think reality is that joe biden had a very bad week. david: for all this making a lot of people look at what happens in a second term of the trump presidency. and kimberley strassel, hot in atlanta called it make america even greater. and she was start with this phase 2 of the tax cuts. focusing on individual tax cuts. >> is very important in a campaign. the one i ran for president reagan we did not have a second term agenda. it advocated we won 49 states and the key thing is we did a lot of international stuff. i would argue very strenuous the president has a record to run on, he needs to basically see what he would do in the future. david: i think it's important to quote - a little bit of the piece by kim strassel. she says america select mr. trump to trade with other presidents would not. he is a disruptive choice and his success rests and promising more positive disruption mr. trump claims to know america well which means he knows that americans are not satisfied with being great. they always want to be even greater. i think she gets it anything he gets it as well. and the american public seems to want to appear. >> i think they definitely wanted. i think he can give them what he wants for his great campaigner and he loves the crowds. they have to fix the tax plan so i think that they will have an agenda. spoon ed rollins, great to see you. have a wonderful weekend! we would like to hear your thoughts.share your comments and follow lou on twitter @lou dobbs follow him on facebook and twitter and instagram. and denying working with president trump but emails seem to prove otherwise. plus a large gas explosion rocking a major american city. we will have all of that and more after the break. it's not just easy. it's having-a-walrus-in-goal easy! roooaaaar! it's a walrus! ridiculous! yes! nice save, big guy! good job duncan! way to go! 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>> the emails speak for themselves here "the new york times" is trying to defend itself they say they were just doing journalism. email to the spokesman to the justice department from a new york times reporter. describing a story that colleagues are working on about jared kushner and russia. a story that we know was planted to make donald trump look bad. and suggest nefarious activities. none of which have panned out of course. the reporter was not asking for a comment. he sent the information along. and so, you know that seemed unusual. and there is a second mo "the new york times" is willing to give the fbi leadership a head's up, a preview on a story. so you know, that is journalism i think americans would be upset about it because it looks like the media is working with the fbi on -- david: and we should mention it was not the entire fbi. obviously these are the anti-trump forces the fbi using their position to get things out that they knew the press was hungry for because the press hates donald trump from the beginning. so they knew who was a receptive audience.>> yeah and, you put in a context of illegal leaks to the new york times and the "washington post", classified information. concerning russia. the anti-trump you know this material came from the cache of documents of peter strzok and lisa paige emails. so this is further documentation also, that peter strzok and lisa paige were in the center of the russia investigation by the fbi and doj and was also involved in media relations. david: and by the way we should mention once again as congressman nunez has recently, in october 2016, christopher steele, the guy behind the trump dossier met with a deputy assistant secretary of state and he came out with information that even she, although she obviously was not pro trump said was completely false information. like there was a miami division of the russian consulate which does not exist. she passed the information onto the fbi and the fbi still went ahead and full throttle with christopher steele and using his so-called documentation which she told him was bad, for the fisa warrant. >> none of that stopped the state department from other documents we have with colluding with continuing to collude with christopher steele and sent his information along also to the top leadership of the house democratic party. and again, going back to your first story, you bet william barr nice look at that hit job i see assessment on president trump. no new president trump is going to win. i don't even know if president trump knew that. the only reason that trumps wanted him to win it was absurd. the thought hillary clinton was going to win and activity look like it was designed to put hillary clinton back on her heels as she enter the presidency. it suggests to me otherwise it was politics designed to undermine the legitimacy for president trump's election. and you can look at the i see assessment yourselves, it is publicly available.you will see it is as much of a weak argument against donald trump as the mueller report. just, i see intelligence deep state garbage created by the obama gang. david: i wonder how much of what the attorney general is uncovering and will uncover will discredit portions of the mueller report or at least discredit his inability or unwillingness to look into what was going on. the anti-trump forces within the fbi. >> the perceived wisdom even about russian interference in election designed to help president trump cannot be taken at face value. he has got to look at everything that is everyone assumes is true. there was never collusion, it is not even clear the russians were trying to help donald trump. they may have well been trying to help hillary clinton. with no idea donald trump would win. david: i want to get your assessment on something. the president was interviewed it will be shown on sunday, meet the press. he talked about the whole push for impeachment and nancy pelosi willingness to go that way now. let me get your reaction. >> why do you think nancy pelosi has held off her impeachment process? >> i think she feels i will -- >> you think it is good? >> i think i win the election easier but you know i'm not sure that i like having it. look, i did nothing wrong. i was spied on, what they did to me was illegal. it was illegal on the other side i did nothing wrong. impeachment is a very unfair thing because nothing i did was wrong. david: i can understand the president. politically it might actually help him but it is a stain. no one wants to stay particularly if it is totally undeserved. >> that is exactly right. and the president obviously is concerned that they will continue with impeachment fight. even if they lose or even if he wins, it is an abuse of power by congress even talking about it. there is no collision, no obstruction. no case for impeachment. and nancy pelosi thinks that something sensible the other day based on my understanding. she said look, impeachment something that is obvious. there's something out there that obviously someone is to be impeached for. and the idea that the house is going to hunt around to make a case that is not for anyone else in the country, nancy pelosi is a sophisticated enough politician to know that it will not wash. david: tom fitton, great to see you, thank you very much. >> a massive fire erecting at the largest crude oil refinery on the eastern seaboard. flames and smoke filling the philadelphia air around 4:00 this morning pay look at that! this happened at the philadelphia energy solutions complex. the fire is now contained. officials say four workers suffered only minor injuries. the cause is still unknown. this marks the second fire at the 150-year-old refinery just this month. coming up next company develops in the jussie smollett case. and why he could face new charges. plus, bernie wants american taxpayers to foot the healthcare bill of millions of illegal immigrants. we will take that up and more when we come back. now that you e new dr. scholl's massaging gel advanced insoles with softer, bouncier gel waves, you'll move over 10% more than before. dr. scholl's. born to move. i swibecause they let metual, customize my insurance. and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything, like my bike, and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ hey! i live on my own now! i've got xfinity, because i like to live life in the fast lane. unlike my parents. you rambling about xfinity again? 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>> well, this is the case that we actually need a special prosecutor. unlike the russia hoax. but the cook county is one of the most notoriously corrupt counties in the country. and unsurprisingly it is run by democrats. but kim foxx basically in this case recused yourself in name only. which she still had a top aide making all the decision so she was still doing it. kind of reminds me of when loretto lynch, her non-recusal after she met with bill clinton on the tarmac. and said that she won't interfere in whatever the decision the prosecutors make after the scandal. they already have exonerated hillary, months before so i'm sure she relayed the information to bill. kind of reminds me of that situation there. david: alice, let me switch to iran which is again a far more important topic for we have someone tweeting something brilliant on the reaction to all of this. i should have given her credit but she tweeted if obama had called off airstrikes, the media would demand he get the nobel peace prize. such a double standard. i think the voters of this country see through that double standard. don't you? 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he said i have a lot of advisors but they are advisors. i'm the one who takes their advice and makes a decision. so he does amalgamate the advice of all of his expert advisors. he has the best of the best from bolton to mike pompeo, these are really the top minds in the country. but ultimately, he is the one who makes the decision. that is what being president, commander-in-chief is all about. >> exactly. he is the commander-in-chief it's his decision. i think it shows he does not take that job lately. he makes a measured call and exactly right, very transparent about it. he left the american people know exactly why he made the decision he made. but absolutely he's got a great team around him as well. the president has been so tough on iran, we pull out of a terrible nuclear deal which put them on a pathway to nuclear weapons. and i love our chairwoman what she said about the media coverage. but i guess the media did not have to beg them to give obama the peace prize because he got it on day one. before he sent cash to iran. david: no joe biden. he's had a terrible week, alex. i'm wondering, the establishment is trying desperately, the old democratic party establishment, to get them to lay off of joe biden, not call him a racist or suggest he has said anything wrong. i don't think they are succeeding very well at it. do you? 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>> look -- >> this is not something you can dodge. if you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. should abortion be punished? >> well, people in certain parts of the republican party and conservative republicans would say, yes, they should be punished. >> how about you? >> i would say that it's a very serious problem and it's a problem that we have to decide on. >> do you believe in -- do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> my msnbc colleague chris matthews grilling then candidate donald trump in 2016 over whether women who seek abortions should be punished. he admits that he believes yes and then spends the rest of his life trying to get out of it. but that interview was a freaking master class, and you are in luck because tonight chris matthews is unleashing his formidable superpowers on the good people of dayton, ohio. this is super interesting. it's "the deciders," right, the voters in the most crucial precincts and the swing precincts in the country who are ultimately going to be key deciders in the presidential election. dayton is in montgomery county, ohio. montgomery county, ohio voted for obama twice before voting for trump in 2016. trump -- excuse me, chris matthews is going to be there tonight. this is the second one of those "deciders" events they've done. the first one was in northeastern pennsylvania, another key place. that was fascinating. but this next one is tonight, 10:00 p.m. tonight eastern time, which means right after this show. that is your quick programming note as you are thinking of your night ahead. pace yourself. you have to watch chris matthews in dayton, ohio, right after i am done at 10:00 p.m. okay? 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>> yjoy, i know you're one of te ones who thinks it's naive that we have to work together. the fact of the matter is if we can't get a consensus, nothing happens except the abuse of power by the executive. zero. >> the vice president later said, "you cannot shame people to do things the right way." that appears to be a big point of contention between the former vice president and lots of the other democrats who are all running behind him in the polls. >> let's be clear. if we're in the majority and mitch mcconnell wants to block us on the kinds of things our country needs and the kinds of things they elected me and other people to enact, then i'm all for getting rid of the filibuster. we cannot let him block things the way he did during the obama administration. >> the real issue here is, can you build a coalition for change in this country? and can we be as strategic as mitch mcconnell? i wouldn't want any of us to be as malevolent or cynical as mitch mcconnell, but could we please just be as strategic as he is? 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man: good. how about yourself? lisa: so, we've changed up some of the fixtures, redone the snack wagon. we kind of gave it a fresher look. so, people can come in and use this self-wash machine. they can pick shampoos, dry the dog, rinse the dog. everything is kind of self-contained. lemonis: how much did this cost to do? giovanni: i mean, the machine is $17,000. -lemonis: $17,000? -giovanni: yeah. this isn't a revenue generator as much as it's more about traffic. lemonis: $17,000 investment just for the machine. what did it cost to build out this space? giovanni: about $8,000. -lemonis: $8,000. -giovanni: yes. lemonis: it's not a revenue generator? giovanni: just brings in more frequent traffic. lemonis: give me the return on investments. -giovanni: 18 months. -lemonis: walk me through it. giovanni: the four we have are averaging about $1,000 a month in sales. lemonis: so you have $25,000 invested in this idea? giovanni: yes. lemonis: so how did you get the 18 months if it's $1,000? giovanni: i can't remember if it's $17,000 all-in with the room. it's 18 months. we did it. lemonis: gio gets so excited running around the country opening stores that he forgets to just take a minute and sit down and actually run the numbers through a machine, like, a calculator. grand opening would be at the end of next week or no? 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-man: yes. yeah. -woman: yes. lemonis: i'm checking out another location that gio says he wants to open, but i've added a little twist by asking his team to come there because i want him to see for himself how they really feel about this process. what else is out there right now? giovanni: we have wauwatosa. that's next march. i don't think they know about wauwatosa. lemonis: did you know about wauwatosa? -nevine: no. -dan: no. -lemonis: did you? -man: no. -lemonis: did you? -woman: no. lemonis: did you sign a lease? -giovanni: yes. -lemonis: how do people in the office legitimately not know? giovanni: it's not like they need to do anything. it doesn't exist yet. it's being built. lemonis: what if somebody had an opinion prior to its signing? -how would you know? -lisa: we wouldn't. lemonis: this is the visual in my mind when i think about your business. there's you with a pen and the lease running in circles. giovanni: i so disagree. lemonis: and there's everybody chasing you. giovanni: i totally disagree. lemonis: but it may be -- you disagree how? 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81? giovanni: 81, yeah. so, this is the balance sheet through the end of june. lemonis: i wanted to sit down with lisa and gio and go over their historical financials, and, while they're doing amazing, i want them to see that there's room for improvement. so it looks like the business is on pace to do somewhere around 88 million bucks in revenue. it looks like the business will make about $4.6 million. the margins are coming in around 47 percent, which is really three points less -than it needs to be. -giovanni: yeah. lemonis: look, there's no golden rule that says what the margins need to be in a retail store, but i don't like to be in the retail business with margins that are less than 50 percent. by the way, when bentley's gets to 50, i'm gonna move it to 55. and when it gets to 55, i'm gonna move it to 56 because we always need to be thinking on how to improve the business. because you're $88 million now, going to $100, $115 million. so you start talking about three percentage points on $100 million -- it's real money. and so i think what we should do over the next week or so is to really start to dig in and see where our margins can get better. you remember i did that bid deal with murchison-hume where i bought best in show? -giovanni: yes. yeah. -lisa: yeah. right. lemonis: so i want to actually put that to work. lisa: so we're going to start out with a dog spot and odor remover and a cat spot and odor remover. lemonis: so, do you have the formulas and everything? giovanni: you vetted out a couple formulas, correct? lisa: i did. yeah. lemonis: you remember best in show from a previous business? i paid $100,000 for the trademark. it's a brand that i bought specifically to launch a line of pet products to not only sell in bentley's but in the entire industry. and now i'm gonna make some money on it. lisa, i think we need to crank up your ability to say no because your husband is very persuasive. -giovanni: sure. -lisa: mm-hmm. lemonis: do you guys remember what you told me in the basement when we first met, what you guys wanted out of life? lisa: i know that we were looking to grow the business and be able to provide for our kid. lemonis: and so what's different at home now? lisa: now we have two boys. in february, we adopted our second son, miles. lemonis: the one thing that lisa and gio have consistently done is put their employees, their customers, and their family in front of profits. i think that's the big reason that they're as successful as they are. all right. i'll see you guys tomorrow. lisa: all right. ♪ -lemonis: i'm marcus. -tracy: hi. nice to meet you. lemonis: nice to meet you. gio told me that he's contemplating making another acquisition, and i thought, rather than just approving it, i would go along for the ride. you've been a long time, haven't you? tracy: 13 years. lemonis: what inspired you to start it? tracy: i had a golden retriever. he had arthritis really bad. he couldn't walk up and down stairs. and after 2 weeks on fresh food, he was up and down the stairs. and that's how i came up with this idea. lemonis: similar to how lisa did it. giovanni: she's got a great reputation in the business. tracy: i do like educating people. -lemonis: you do? -tracy: yeah. i love it. i have consulted with other stores already. giovanni: so, what was the revenue in '16? -tracy: it was almost $900,000. -lemonis: wow. -$900,000? -giovanni: yeah. tracy: in '17, it went down. giovanni: but you're still at about $61,000, $62,000 a month? tracy: oh, yeah, easy. giovanni: so it's still about $720,000 a year? tracy: yeah. lemonis: how much inventory is in here? -tracy: about $80,000. -lemonis: oh, wow. i love that tracy shares the same values as lisa and the rest of the company, and she could be a killer asset to not only train customers, but train our employees. giovanni: in your mind, what number? tracy: for? giovanni: the purchase. tracy: $285,000. -giovanni: $80,000 in inventory? -tracy: mm-hmm. lemonis: so maybe a different way to think about this is... giovanni: yeah. lemonis: ...new store, acquisition. giovanni: sure. lemonis: compare and contrast. there's the cost to open up a new store. -giovanni: so, $218,000. -lemonis: okay. that's a starting point. now compare it to this transaction sheet. giovanni: so, $285,000 is our purchase price. lemonis: included in that $285,000 is what? giovanni: $80,000 in good inventory. -lemonis: of assets. -giovanni: correct. lemonis: how much do you have to still spend? giovanni: that's what i -- okay. lemonis: how much do you still have to spend? giovanni: adding inventory, remodeling, $138,000. lemonis: historically, it costs us about $218,000 to open a store. tracy is asking $285,000 to buy her business. subtract the $80,000 of inventory that she's including, and our price is about $205,000. we'd still need to spend an additional $138,000 to improve the store and build it out, which puts us at about $343,000 of total investment. so, at the end of the day, we'd spend about $218,000 to build a brand-new store or $343,000 to acquire tracy's, about $125,000 more. and while that's a premium, we'll be getting a business that has over $700,000 of revenue. and as a kicker, we'll get tracy with all of her experience, which is worth way more than $125,000. giovanni: so we're paying $125,000 for $50,000 in profit and tracy? lemonis: that's the question, period, end of story. giovanni: i got you. lemonis: i want you to make this argument before you do this deal to the team... -giovanni: okay. -lemonis:...because if they all agree collectively to put the money in, what happens to their pride of ownership over that location? giovanni: yeah, they own it way more. lemonis: i think the name "natural pet market" is really good. as you're working on private-label foods, i would use that name. tracy: i do own the trademark on that name. i actually wanted to keep the name. lemonis: look, this deal is not going to be as simple as i thought. the name has to be part of this acquisition, and we're going to need to figure that out. we need to think about this. ♪ susan: so, lisa, what i did was that i kind of printed out what we spoke about. lemonis: lisa told me about this company, royal animal, out of new york, that specializes in soft goods, particularly pet clothing and accessories. in order for the overall margin to grow from 47 to 50-plus, we have to incorporate things that have a 60-plus percent margin. and so i want lisa to focus on things that are going to give her that. susan: this is, like, this kind of canvas material. lisa: and our chicago store, it would do great in. giovanni: i definitely don't think that will sell. lemonis: what's something like that cost? susan: we're wholesaling it for, like, $12.99. lemonis: what's the suggested retail? susan: i would probably go for $39.99. ♪ susan: i think these were on your list. lisa: i like the puff coat. giovanni: i don't think they'll ever sell. -lemonis: oh, that's cool. -lisa: that's really cool. i love the raincoats. giovanni: i don't see somebody putting this on their dog. we've done that, and we've seen that it doesn't move the needle. we do have to get -- pick and choose. i think -- i think this will sell. i could picture a corgi in it. and i'm not the merchandiser. i'm just saying. lemonis: well, you seem like it. giovanni: yeah, i definitely don't think that will sell. this is at least cute. lemonis: gio has an opinion, but his opinion sometimes comes without any information. you never once asked lisa what she thought. lisa: it's ultimately my decision on the products. lemonis: this is a $100 million business that's making great money. we want to pick up three more points of margin. at the end of the day, we have one person that has to be in charge of the business, and that's not me, and that's not you. giovanni: we don't know this space, and we make guesses. lemonis: when you say "we," are you saying lisa, or are you -- giovanni: bentley's. i talk about bentley's. lemonis: no, but you just said that she's the only one that picks product. -giovanni: correct. -lemonis: okay. then you say, "we don't know what we're doing," which is the same as saying, "she really doesn't know how to do this." ♪ giovanni: we have been working on acquiring natural pet market. she wants $285,000 for the business. moment of truth -- yes or no? 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>> lou: i a want to start with ira. the president did something very interesting, talking about an avenue to a different result than simply a retaliation for this strike by the iranians. your reaction to it. >> i think it's always good to basically give them an option -- you always need to give someone an option not to go to war. they continue this kind of behavior and obviously the tap people made a decision to shoot down one of our drones, then i think it's more significant. but once we start there it's going to be a significant battle. lou: last count two pipeline understanincidents, six tankersd and one of our drones shot down. >> i basically think when we start firing i'm not for putting men on the ground but i'm certainly for using our sophisticated equipment. we've gone beyond the pail. they're going to have a lot of fire in their oil wells. lou: it's really stunning that they're being this stupid. i agree with the president. i can't imagine how stupid the iranians are to have done this. >> i totally agree. and i think that reality is, you know, we'll see in the next 24 hours what he's going to do. but i think he gave a tough message and i think he's gave the message in the right place and he said if you didn't do it, wasn't at the top level, which i assume it was, step forward and tell us. lou: hey's going to do what ? >> step forward and tell us. i think everything in that country is in the hierarchy. i think the revolutionary guard runs the place and the ie to ya iayatollahis making the decisio. lou: we're 40 years in. it's pretty clear who they are. >> no question. we were not -- i mean our drone is a sophisticated piece of equipment. it did not have to go over their space and we didn't do that and i have great confidence of that. lou: let's turn to the politics of it all. the president getting off to a -- this has been a remarkable week with the kickoff in or land do with the mexican senate ratifying the u.s. mca. this is a president who is, frankly, continuing his absolutely adroit leadership and governance of the country. >> a very clear message the other day. people saying it's a repeat of what he's been saying and what he's been saying is what she's been doing. you know if you vote for president trump r trump you're going to get xjz and more of the same. if you want to vote for the democrats, you're going back to the dark days of obama. lou: i thought you were going to say back to the talker ages. >the dark ages.>> certainly badc policies. when pascal and everybody talks about revving up the base, the base is not just republicans. a plurality of voters today are independent voters. you've got to get a third of those voter to win a presidency. lou: let's be very clear. >> trump has done that. lou: this president has outperformed with hispanics, with african-americans, with women. and when he does, as you point out directly and i think correc, his base is not an arch defying group of republicans. >> right. lou: it is really important to understand, i believe this to be the case, that he will expand his appeal to each one of those minority groups i any across all demographics. we're going to broaden his outcome. >> four years ago he beat a candidate who had nothing and he didn't have a great campaign. he now has a strong strong record to run on. and that's what he needs to do. every single thing that he' done. lou: stronger record a than any modern president tharchlts' what he needs to run on. lou: great to see you. the trial of navy s.e.a.l. edward gallagher taking an extraordinary turn. he's accused of stabbing and killing an isis prisoner of war. today special operator first class corey scott testified that he, he was in fact the man who killed the isis prisoner by asphyxiation after gag ge gallad been charged with stabbing the man. when asked why he killed the terrorist, scott replied, quote, i knew he was going to die anyway. i wanted to save him from what was going to happen next to him. end quote. amazing developments. >>> up next, a new report says the dirty garag fraudulent steee dossier wasn't the only dirty document used by the fbi against the trump campaign. we'll have that and much more right after this quick break. right after this quick break. stay with us. carl, i appreciate the invite here. as my broker, what am i paying you to manage my money? 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you characterize their conduct? >> well this is the fbi operations manual that every agent is given makes it clear. when you apply for a search warrant and submit an affidavit, you may only use evidence that you know to be factually true. and in this case they used evidence, they cited the black ledger in four search warrants in the probable cause section citing the black ledger after they had been told that it was likely false, likely fake, a fraud. ukrainian prosecutors told them that and their own research told them that. they had witnesses who told them those transactions do not match. here's the biggest reason they knew it was wrong. the ledger purported to show that paul manafort was taking money in cash under the table and in fact they had all of his bank records. he was getting everything above the table in wire transfers. they knew that document was wrong and yet they put it in the search warrant afte affidavit. lou: what is the impact of this? where does this leave manafort? because it would see that this is, at the very least, a basis to throw out charges against him. >> we'll have to see what his lawyers do. i think his lawyer is giving a speech tomorrow in california. we should keep a close eye on that. immediately there's breaking news tonight, congressman mark meadows, senior republican on the house government and oversight committee, he's preparing a referral tonight to ask the inspector general of the u.s. justice department to investigate the handling of these search warrants. and one of the articles that they soas cited was that the fbi agents working on the case assisted. they met with the ap the day before, gave hem a nod that the hftion was accurate, they published the story and then the fbi agents turn around, take the story and put it into their search warrant affidavit as an independent corroboration of their evidence. it's a pretty remarkable thing to see that complicity going on with the fbi and the justice department are using a leak that 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appointment. as of now its contents are secret but york says its existence proves a major, major point. >> we know in the end mueller could not establish conspiracy or coordination had taken place between trump and russia. what we know is by october of 2017 that's when he was learning that he could not establish this. lou: joining us tonight victoria toensing, former deputy assistant attorney general for the criminal division of the justice department, joe digeno digenova. great to have both of you back with us. let's start with first the byron york's reporting on a third scope memo. your reaction, victoria. >> the first memo was ill pleel because it didn't name a crime. all it named was a counter intelligence investigation. i don't know what they were going to do expect go downhill from there. it appears, according to byron, that it hads something to do with -- not carter page but roger stone. those were all process crimes. it's like they couldn't get the real crime so they're going 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jack dorsey now in charge of the president's first amendment rights. >> it's an outrage. every american should be incensed. on monday what do we find out, lou, thanks to project very fast? that google is using artificial intelligence to try to make sure that the, quote-unquote, trump situation of 2016 isn't repeated in 2020? what happens after the video goes up? youtube pulls it. they censor the evidence. now we find out that -- [inaudible conversations] lou: we should point out. >> youtube owned by google. then we find out today that there will be a filter, there will be a block in front of anything that twitter deems to be offensive, which means when your scrolling through -- you're scrolling through your feed, you just won't see the tweet. lou: so why -- i'm just about tired of the republicans being so anemic. there's not one of them who is expressing with the same energy you are here this evening outrage at twitter, jack dorsey, their ceo. this is, this is outrageous by any definition, and the republicans don't have the guts to go after twitter, go after google. it is shameful to witness what this party, so-called, has become. it's just -- >> lou, it's a disgrace. it is an utter disgrace. we need half a dozen lou dobbs on capitol hill who would actually fight for the founding principles of this republic. this isn't the 1800s. you can't go home and print off some pamphlets and distribute them at the town hall in the same evening -- lou: your tweets, by the way, remind me of that. they look like something that's been run off a mimeograph machine at best, and i won't mention the names, but two or three republicans, this should not be controversial today. this should, you know, this is -- talking about the citizenship question -- >> yes. lou: this is, it is just awful. the republicans have become little paul ryans. without courage, without principle, without vision, without values. >> let's just talk about these two issues together. so there's about four platforms in the world that control social media and information. they have demonstrated, four of them, that they wish to interfere politically in the elections in america. that is unconscionable, and they have to be stopped. today the supreme court, thanks to this, the chief justice who is a traitor to constitution, has said they're not satisfied with the reason the federal government gave? so you could ask if somebody's a citizen in america? who cares what the reason is, lou? the point of the census is to ask who you are and under what status you are in the united states. has nothing to do with the reason. it's the federal government's prerogative. and when are the republicans going to stand up and show some backbone? lou: i don't think we should hold our breath, i really don't. without this president, the republican party would be just a sorry, sorry place if it is not already that. and to hear the justice, roberts, talk about incongruent reasoning. you talk about precious, that's precious. >> pathetic. lou: this is a guy who twisted an obamacare fine into a tax in order to support obamacare. talk about incongruent reasoning. as i said today on twitter, you'd have to throw out half the rulings of the roberts court on that basis. >> there's too many cowards in this city, lou, far too many cowards and far too few patriots. it's that simple. lou: well, let's start a new import-export program -- [laughter] for the swamp. sebastian gorka -- >> i'm with you. lou: you've got a deal. i appreciate you being here. good to see you always. >> thanks, lou. lou: salem radio. we'd like to hear your thoughts. follow me on twitter alt @loudobbs follow me on instagram a alt lou fox tonight. >>> up next, president trump suggests delaying next year's census after today's supreme court ruling. victoria toensing, joe digenova, they join us right after these quick messages. stay with us. to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. calyou're gonna love this.rs. new coppertone sport clear. not thick, not hot, not messy, just clear, cool, protected. coppertone sport clear. proven to protect. so ...how are you feeling - on a scale of one to five? 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what's next, weights and measures for this court? >> and this is what's so great about this president, lou. what other president of either party would have said, this is against me, let's see, how can we put off this census so we can fix it? that's where his brain immediately goes. what do we do that we can get it right? and the irony is, and i won't get in the legal weeds, but there was a case about getting deference, giving deference to agencies, and roberts went along with that. and now you're not giving deference for a census question for gosh sakes? talk about inconsistency, that's john roberts. lou: it is the john roberts. and, joe, in the obamacare he tortures the word "fine" somehow into a tax and sustains obamacare. there is -- the man is inventive and activist, and i can't figure out how he was ever considered a conservative. >> well, what you saw today was pure sophistry. he says that the motive of the secretary of commerce was very important. but in obamacare he said the motive of the president wasn't important. the fact that the president said it wasn't a tax didn't matter. when the chief justice says, well, you know what? i think it's a tax. so what you have is inconsistency. but more importantly, soft first try -- soft first try. the chief justice just wanted to stick his finger in the president's eye. it's demeaning to the court, and it's embarrassing, and he says there's no difference between democratic and republican judges? baloney. >> yeah, the kavanaugh hearing showed that. lou: yeah, unfortunately and dramatically. let's turn to robert mueller who said that the report of the special counsel would be his testimony -- [laughter] and as has happened too often over the course of the last two and a half years, mueller reversed himself and is bogged down, it seems, in partisan politics. your thoughts about what we can expect on july 17th and why a special counsel is behaving like this, vick tore cra? -- victoria? >> well, because he doesn't know what he's doing. i think he's really lost it, and andrew wiseman is running the show. but it's going to have to be bob mueller that's sitting there in front of the tv cameras. he's going to have to get his wits about him, which he sure didn't have when he did that bizarre press conference for, what, 16 minutes or whatever it was. boy, i have a lot of questions for him. one is couldn't you find one republican lawyer to put on that team? lou: and, joe, what do you think? will this witch hunt ever end? will robert mueller ever go away, or will he be a perennial guest on late night television, newscasts and, of course, house committee hearings? >> well, jerry nadler, the mum bler, is going to be questioning bob mueller, the cadaver. if you've watched mueller, he barely functions. his testimony is going to be basically worthless. he may want to answer some of the questions and he may even try to go beyond the four corners. the real damage is going to be done the next day when they have testimony from weissman and his aide which will be done in executive session with unlimited questioning. that's when the damage to president is going to be done. bob mueller is nothing more than a figurehead. this has always been the weissman investigation, and it'll be the weissman testimony. >> but the damage to president isn't because these guys know something that's damning, it's because andrew weissman makes stuff up. >> they're going to lie. >> he just creates crimes out of whole cloth. >> they're just going to lie. lou: both he and mueller have an established record of doing precisely the same thing -- >> exactly. lou: and weissman, you know, participating in the destruction of 85,000 jobs at arthur anderson without either conscience or, by the way, law as a basis for his action. it's stunning stuff. victoria, it's always great to see you. we thank you very much. joe, thank you, sir. >> you bet. lou: and happy anniversary, guys -- [laughter] >> now for the champagne, lou. lou: oh, i like that part. 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"the washington post" running with, quote, democratic presidential candidates engage in arms race to left in the first debate. and "the new york times" with this headline: democrats split on how far left to nudge the nation. nudge, you mean drive relentlessly? well, joining us tonight trump 2020 campaign national press secretary caylee mcaneighborny, great to have you with us. this is a fair question, and i'm going to guess some people would suggest it's a bit of a softball question, but i want you to know -- >> i like that. lou: -- i'm as rigorous and just as tough-minded as they can be. what'd you think of the debate last night? >> i like that question. what i thought was what we knew already, this was a bunch of leftists, lou. these are radicals x. the moment that just popped off the screen to me was when amy klobuchar, she's supposed to be a moderate and a centrist and logical, says, hey, i may agree with julian castro that we should decriminalize border crossings which is effectively an open border. so there is no seven trust, there is no moderate -- centrist, there's a whole bunch of socialists and radicals, and that was very clear. lou: i think you could argue there was a star in that debate, and that was the set that nbc put forward. it had all kinds of technical problems, but that set, you know, that was an experience in blue. the other part of this is the who do you think lost, who was the biggest loser if there was a loser, one or two losers in the night's festivities? >> yeah, i i think liz warren. you know, this was her opportunity to be the really only top tier candidate on that stage and to really be this shiny object that, for the left. and she didn't really live up to that. when, you know, the president tweets boring in all caps, he's right, because the most exciting moment was that mic flub that we saw from nbc. liz warren didn't shine. we're not hearing her name mentioned a ton today. she really seemed to lose her footing there a little. there really wasn't a shining moment, it was a really bad night for democrats and a great advertisement for the donald j. trump campaign. lou: yeah, i think there are more than a few people saying the winner of the debate certainly was donald trump. this economy, the president is sitting here with a 3.6% unemployment rate, the highest employment in the country's history. minorities fully participating in the trump prosperity. and i can't imagine how they're going to sell socialism against a backdrop of prosperity, rising wages and a growing middle class, the american dream being fulfilled as it hasn't been for decades. >> yeah, lou, you're right. you know, they live in a fact-free reality, and they are trying to sell the american people a reality that doesn't exist. liz warren saying, hey, you know, the middle class and low income americans are not benefiting from this, false, we know that not to be true. paychecks are growing twice as fast for low and middle income americans. cory booker saying small businesses are hurting, another lie. not true. small business confidence at its highest point since the recorded. they're selling this version of reality that doesn't exist, and the good news is the american people, 71% tell cnn the economy's in good shape. so their reality doesn't match the reality on the democrats' debate stage. lou: as you say, fact-free, and that's a lesser moment to everyone who is supporting this president. the president, i love the tweet in which he said talking about all that was going on in washington as he's soaring towards osaka that he is going to be a little busy saving the free world. i'm not so sure that's an overstatement. what do you think the prospects are for improving his polling as a result of what he can achieve in osaka? >> yeah, i think it's a big deal. anytime the president's overseas, we saw his d-day speech which received praise from even the likes of the liberal media, the g20 is another really presidential moment, and you couldn't have this greater contrast of the president, finally a strong president on the world stage, not a weakling like president obama, and the democrats squabbling over taking us the way of cuba and venezuela? give me a break. the president is going to have a tailwind behind him. the contrasting images cannot get any better than that. lou: and it's going to be several days in osaka at the g20, much riding on the outcome of those discussions. kaylee, great to have you with us. all the best. >> thank you, lou. lou: up next, we'll have more on the trump administration's high pressure campaign against iran. stay with us, we're coming right back with the latest. ♪ take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today. .. 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question to the whole trump family at last have you no decency sirs, the fact that donald trump senior's political existence is built upon a foundation of racist attacks on barack obama, to now not learn from that experience to perpetuate it is unacceptable in america. and i think everyone ought to make a really fundamental decision right now. any got -- we got to get a new president. this indecency is corrupting. >> you've said, quote, we need to heal the country racially after the division of donald trump. instead of seeing candidates go after president trump on race though we saw senator kamala harris press joe biden on his anti-busing stance from 45 years ago. president trump was asked about busing earlier today. listen. >> the biggest threat to the security of the united states is donald trump. and there is no question. >> okay, sorry we had the wrong sound bite. i think we have theright one loaded. let's play the right one. >> oh, where do you stand on that issue of federally 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climate crisis the central issue of your campaign, make the case to the working class that democrats were accused of at times of overlooking in 2016. some of niece are people working in the manufacture industry pl the coal mining industry. make your case to them why addressing the climate crisis is important to them. >> well i'm about -- all about jobs. i've been governor of the state of washington for six years now. we have created the number one competent in the united states, the number one gdp growth and fastest wage growth because we intensely focused on jobs. and now here is what we know. and that is that the clean energy sector offers probably the largest spectrum of job creation in the united states. and we're seeing that today. today in the clean energy economy jobs are growing twice as fast as the rest of the economy as a whole. we're making electric cars in michigan. we're making wind turbines in iowa. donald trump said turbines cause cans are. we know they create jobs. we 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>> well, first of all, you need very thorough investigation before you move forward with impeachment, but for me personally, impeachment isn't enough. it isn't about one person, it's about the ring around the president. many of them looters. many of them, in my opinion, treasonous to this country. paul manafort being one of them. and already over six individuals have been convicted. some are trying to work out deals but we really need to remove the corruption and we need to remove those who are supporting the enemies of liberty. i really think that's what's at stake in this election that's coming up. >> you say -- you say in the election. are you drawing a distinction there saying the way to get the president out of office, the way to address these issues is through an election and not through impeachment? >> well, i don't know whether the committees have jurisdiction will have completed their work. you know the administration's been withholding information and it's been hard to get the evidence that the is necessary to move forward with the proper findings. so words are el chacheap, but wu move forward with an impeachment effort inside the house where it will start, you have to make sure that all of your information is locked down, and, frankly, it's not secret that this administration has held back information repeatedly. all the individuals, whether it's michael flynn, whether it's michael cohen, whether it's paul manafort, i don't care which one you pick, they lied and they withheld evidence, they did not tell the truth, and so you're not working with an administration or the ring around the president who have been forthcoming. it makes it very, very difficult. and justice meets out slowly. but i believe that it needs to meet out methodically. >> do you -- >> and this ring goes well beyond the president. >> okay. but on the question of the president, you've read the mueller report, i assume. do you believe based on your reading of the mueller report that the president committed obstruction of justice? >> i cannot tell from the mueller report because there are so many redacted pages. it appears to me that the president, he doesn't look like he's innocent. he looks like he's trying to feed the publicity around his own situation. what would it matter to him? he has most everything in the world that he wants, almost. and for his own reputation to give us the information that we want. so he's withholding evidence. >> okay. but you say you can't tell -- you're saying -- you're citing redactions here. does the mueller report leave open in your possibility -- leave open in your mind, excuse me, the possibility that the president committed obstruction of justice? >> oh, absolutely. >> okay. so why not have -- i guess the question i'm trying to put together what you're saying here. if you've read the report, you think the report doesn't answer all the questions and the question exists in your mind of obstruction of justice possibly being committed by the president. is that not grounds to go forward with an impeachment investigation? >> well, i think investigations are occurring. we have some excellent committees, actually six of them. i'm not on those committees, but they are i believe going over to the white house this week trying to obtain information that we need. the law isn't like a very quick insta breakfast. the law takes time and we have to pin down facts and we have to get the information in order to do that. so politically it's easy to say, oh, we're going to do this. and -- but to actually have the evidence in hand so that you can do proper hearings and so forth, that's what the committees are seeking. they're working very hard to do that. >> the argument, and i guess my question to you then is do you disagree with this? the argument has been made that by convening a formal impeachment inquiry, having a formal process under way that the power to seek the kind of information you're talking about getting is increased beyond what democrats and members of congress enjoy right now. >> they haven't convinced me of that. >> all right. congresswoman marcie kaptur, not signing off on impeachment right now. appreciate you taking a few minutes. >> thank you very much. >>> all right. and coming up, we're going to go live to dayton, ohio. that's where chris matthews is holding a special "deciders" town hall. dayton located in a county that went for obama then it went for trump. how are those voters feeling a couple of years into this presidency? 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would they vote for trump again in 2020? well, chris matthews joins us now from dayton, ohio. chris, really looking forward to this event. let me ask you, that's the bottom line question, has anybody's mind either way where you are changed in the last couple of years? >> well, steve, we'll find out that tonight, and i think that as you all know, all the polling you've looked at, about 80% to 90% of republicans have held true to trump. the democrats don't have unanimity like that behind anybody, so they're going to eventually have to make a choice between whoever the democrats cook up and trump again. and we don't know that until we see it, until they see it. but what i'm trying to do tonight is get the attitude about trump. does it bother them that he's vulgar, that he doesn't tell the truth, that he has a character problem, he makes fun of people's physical appearance, he makes nicknames up. does it bother them that his foreign policy seems to make no sense or is it just about us against them? they don't like the democratic or republican establishments. they still don't like them. and the same reasons they voted against them last time they'll do it again. i think that's the open question. i hope it's going to be wild tonight. i think it will. there is a lot of anger out there on both sides. >> you did one of these in pennsylvania a few weeks ago. it was gripping television. i don't care what side of the aisle you're on. you really did have a look there in this room. you're probably going to have the same thing tonight, from what i understand, of the conversation that america is really having in -- maybe we don't always see on tells. television. >> yeah because we live in our own bubbles. if you live in washington, d.c., you're probably surrounded by a lot of liberals, intellectuals well-educated people wealth a point of view. they have no problem with big government. they like big government. they like all the liberal programs. they're pro-choice. they like trade. they don't have any problem with immigration. you get outside that bubble, you get into another bubble where people are very angry about immigration, very angry about the trade situation with china and they want to see something done and they want it to be a little rougher, their politics. so i think we're going to bring those two bubbles together and see them pop. >> you know, it's interesting, you mentioned trade out there. we keep seeing these polls that joe biden supposedly the best positioned democrat to take out trump, especially in a place like ohio. this the -- put it on the screen there. this is the trump internal data. they got biden apparently up by a point there in ohio. but on trade biden, isn't he ultimately as vulnerable as clinton was on that? when you talk about nafta, when you talk about these big trade deals? >> well, certainly because, i mean, tpp was probably for that. he was definitely for nafta. all the democrats were pretty much pro-trade, at least at the top back in the '90s. to clintons, all of them were pro-nafta. hillary i don't think was pro-nafta. she turned against tpp eventually. sherrod brown is probably better fixed to represent this state as a senator. he's a very tough guy on trade, as we know. bobby casey in pennsylvania. the rust belt states, if you will, they're represented by democrats, debbie stabenow, who are very tough on the trade issue. they're more attuned than maybe biden. i bet biden switches on this. if he wants to stick with the -- rather, get the working class voter, the working person out here, the woman and the man, depend on trade to change to start picking up some of this industrial market, he's going to have to shift as well. >> you know, you guys on the ground there were talking to some voters in dayton. let me just play a clip of this. some of the voters there about the president's behavior, his conduct in office versus his performance on the economy. take a listen. >> people don't like exactly how he goes about doing it, but he -- that's trump. whether you like it or not. but the bottom line, he's getting things done. >> economically, for me, it seems to be, like, 100% better. >> you know, if i would want a preacher up in the white house, i would have voted a preacher guy in. >> i thought that comment from the second gentleman there saying economically things feel 100% different. what's your sense on the ground? how widespread is the feeling on the ground in their everyday lives that there is a measurable difference now to three years ago? >> well, we're going to hear that tonight. we're going to hear -- as soon as we do the show tonight. what i'm seeing in the numbers is that this county, for example, is about, you know -- the state's about $1 more an hour. so it's not a lot. it's $1 more an hour since trump took over in terms of wages. the unemployment rate, however, has been dramatically cut down to about a point statewide. about two points in this county. so people -- there are jobs out there. they're not good-paying jobs in many cases. so the progress of the wage per hour hasn't been able to keep up with the stock market or with -- or with the general unemployment rate situation. so we're going to hear a lot of anecdotal information. i might ask the question could anyone raise 400 bucks if they needed it in an emergency. ask people if they're all just living paycheck-to-paycheck and really hanging on by their fingertips economically. i expect we're going to hear different cases. not everybody is doing the same. >> chris matthews out there in dayton, ohio. 10:00 eastern tonight. 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the spotlight of that debate and the spotlight that's going to come after that. biden has only been campaigning kind of intermittently. think that's going to pick up after the debate. this is sort of where he starts. let's see what happens once he takes the stage. bernie sanders, the runner-up in 2016, a distant second in this poll and a jumble of other candidates who have moved up giving chase to sanders. they're all trying to stand out, obviously, in this debate. one of the interesting divides we've seen, continues to be the case, i'll show you on the democratic side. the divide around age. this is the overall number. folks under 45 years old. biden leads but barely. 21% for biden. look at that. sanders right behind him, 18%. this is folks under 45 years old. completely different campaign. completely different election when you flip it around to over 45. look at biden's support. it explodes. it doubles. he goes from 21% to 42% people over 45 years old. sanders, his is practically cut in half. he goes from 18% and right on biden's heels all the way back to 10%, losing to him more than 4 to 1. a lot of democratic voters over 45 years old. there are a lot of voters who are over 45 years old. we don't always talk about them, but that's been one of the sources of strength joe biden's had and one of the reasons he's the front-runner now. it's the strength particularly from older voters. we also got the readout from key early caucus states. iowa, biden continuing to lead now. there is sanders, remember, 2016, sanders came close in iowa. almost knocked off hillary clinton. all of a sudden you see elizabeth warren getting some traction now in iowa. double digits for her. buttigieg at 11% in iowa. how about new hampshire? 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>> well, what we're seeing is this ramp-up. and the rhetoric is now starting to match things on the ground. it's clear we should have taken them literally and seriously, because they're sort of jamming an already faltering system. it already had a lot of problems, prior administrations own a piece of this, but trump and miller i would say are really sticking a fork everywhere they can. so the system is breaking down. even people on the ground who may be want to do a good job are unable to carry it out in any effective way. with this announcement he is going to be deporting millions, even if he can't do that, even if it's impossible, it's going to tax an already overloaded system. you're going to see more mental health crises, more health crises. we see riots, all kinds of things that just aren't planned for, and there is no good solution to them. >> there is also the fact that it doesn't strike me as an accident that this is the day before. he is sort of boasting of this the day before he is doing his sort of pretend relaunch. the crowd a few minutes ago reportedly chanting "lock her up." the desire to see other people behind bars in prison, detained is kind been a core part of the message from the beginning. >> well, look, the fact that the emotional stress that this causes the population being targeted is actually more important the trump than actually carrying it out. because by announcing it, he has actually undermined i.c.e.'s ability to carry out the task at hand, but he has scared the crap out of a lot of people who in many cases, their only crime is being here without authorization. and so it is actually very clear that hurting those people emotionally or scaring them or frightening them is of more importance to the president than actually carrying out the task that he set for himself, which is getting them all out of the country. >> you know, there is this sort of controversy erupted today. alexandria ocasio-cortez referred to them concentration camps. republicans were saying they were outraged by the term. your book is a history of concentration camps. you're qualified to weigh in on this. what do you say? >> i would say that for 40 years before auschwitz, we had concentration camps, things that were called concentration camps. what we're doing now fits very cleanly inside that tradition. at the same time, the death camps, which were on top of the existing concentration camp system, including auschwitz and a series of other camps in which you had gas chambers, mass killings, that is a singular moment in history. and for the people who want to respect that, i think that's fine and that's important. if we want to call it irregular detention, if we want to call it extrajudicial detention, i don't think we have to get stuck on that term. i wrote a history of the term. i had to use that term. and what i would really like people to know is the same thing is happening here now. >> what is the motivating logic, and adam, i'll come back to you about the sort of political underbelly. the motivating logic here, talk about those examples before the nazis. detention of some subgroup in some camp setting where things start to go awry. what is the motivating political logic that we've seen there? >> it's escape goat group is often the genesis of that. it explains a problem in the country or in the region, and you push it on to a group of vulnerable people that you can label as somehow infecting society, a national security threat to a society. maybe it's in wartime. maybe it's not. we've sort of done inject aguiar setting to the border. this is not a national security crisis. >> right. >> this is a humanitarian crisis. but we're using the language of war to detain civilians. so this is really mixing things up in a very dangerous way. >> we should also say, adam, today the president came to orlando. yesterday he threatened to round up millions of people. and today some of his supporters are marching through the streets. i want to show this video. these are folks that belong to a group, sort of white nationalist group. they call themselves western shoe chauvinists. >> they're just white nationalists. it's a ridiculous term. >> i agree. these are a flashing white nationalist symbols in their trump hats going to the rally the day after the president says he is going to round people up while expanding a system of detention for tens of thousands of immigrants. what do you think of that? 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neil: hillary, thank you very much. let's get the read on all this. kansas republican congressman with us. congressman, the president did seem to offer a potential out for the iranians by saying it could have been a trigger-happy general, that someone did something stupid. what do you think of that? >> well, listen, obviously kinetic action in the region is troublesome but what we really need to see is their enriched uranium program. if they continue to enrich uranium, that will be a direct threat to our allies, to israel and netanyahu is not going to let that go unnoticed. also another worrisome action would be if they would continue to bomb tankers in the region, particularly allies of ours. but one thing that's good, the market did respond to this, but we are insulated in part by the fact that we are a net energy exporter, one of the world's leading producers of oil and gas. we have doubled it since 2008 and we anticipate 50% increase in the next ten years. so we are well positioned in terms of energy. they are trying to destabilize the region in that regard, but we are looking good and also we are well positioned militarily. we have the "uss abraham lincoln" and amphibious troops in the area, we have b-52 bombers, f-35s and a host of other things we can't talk about. neil: you know, congressman, today in a case of curious timing, the senate rejected this arms deal the president wants out of saudi arabia. four republicans at a minimum joining the 47 democrats against it. that's a big repudiation to the president. what did you make of it? >> well, it's a complex relationship between us and saudi arabia. obviously, they are no friend of iran's and neither are we, but you know, the situation in the area, it's tough. they are bad, iran is worse. we are talking about iran being the leading state sponsor of terrorism, they spend over $1 billion on terrorism each year, they have been taking swipes at us for many decades and those have been largely unresponded to. i stand by the president. neil: all right. thank you very, very much. congressman watkins, beautiful state of kansas. >>> meanwhile, stocks were originally dipping after the first comments from the president concerning iran. it eased back as we got more nuance to that. the president, for example, blaming this drone attack maybe on a general that was trigger-happy or some loose nervous hands. not getting the okay from tehran. there's no way of knowing but it did offer the iranians possibly a way out of this. that's my quick interpretation and likely very, very wrong. i want to go to steve moore, meanwhile. he has been following economic and other developments, not so much obsessed with these market turns. if you don't mind going outside your normal purview, if you want to dismiss this you are more than entitled. you know the president very well. you know he's a pretty good negotiator, that he might be trying to offer iran an out of this crisis to sort of de-agitate it. what do you think of that? >> i think that's exactly right. this guy, i always tell people if you want to understand donald trump, you have to read his book "the art of the deal." he uses leverage, knows he has leverage over iran and i think that's exactly what he's doing, trying to provide iran with some sort of out short of military action. neil: it is interesting that just the threat of things escalating with iran has taken a lot of steam out of the market today that was buoyed by the prospect of lower interest rates, maybe a trade deal with the chinese. so it's a reminder that something like this, like iran, could upset all of that, right? >> it sure is. any time you have a foreign policy crisis or some kind of military action, the stock market reacts almost instantaneously. you're right, we sweat over these things like whether that is going to, you know, raise or lower interest rates by a quarter percentage point or this jobs report or that report but sometimes a major, you know, international incident, i'm not saying this is necessarily a major one, you know, can have, you know, a much bigger impact than a lot of these things we sort about every single day. neil: you're also a good student of market history and economic history but you know what's kind of interesting, any other time you had heard talk that iranians shot down a u.s. drone, manned or unmanned, it would have buffeted world markets. now, barely a blink. what do you make of that? >> i make of it that there's just a fundamental strength in the american economy and that means businesses are doing well, they are profitable, you know, that's still the mother's milk of the stock market. it's profits. and businesses are doing well right now. now, of course, you know, when you have, as you said, if you have an international incident which can disrupt business, then that reduces profits but i think it's just a testimony to how solid this economy is. neil: the president has been making a lot of jerome powell lately, might be pleased with the fact he seems to indicate the next move will be a cut in rates, but -- >> can i just interrupt you there? i saw the president yesterday, because as you know, i was privileged to be over there with art laffer when you won the presidential medal of honor in the oval office. i chatted with the president for just a minute or two. he's not pleased with jerome powell. he wanted a rate cut. i want a rate cut as well. neil: that's interesting. this was after the fed made its decision which was no decision for the time being, but hinting of one to come. so he's still not pleased with him? >> well, i would say he's agitated. he thinks and i think there's a lot of truth to this, that he's created this booming economy and it needs the dollar liquidity to keep it going and that jerome powell isn't with the program on that. so yeah, there is a sense of -- that he doesn't get, you know, what he's trying to do, that he's increased the supply of goods and services, that he's frustrated that, you know, every time we get wage increases, or every time we get, you know, an increase in employment, somehow the fed feels like it has to pull it back. i'm with him on that. why? why do you have to do that? you should be looking at the inflation rate, i have said this many times on your show, show me, show me the inflation in the economy because i just don't see it right now. now, where i differ a little bit from the president, he would like to see a pretty big rate cut. i would like to see a quarter point. i wish they had cut by a quarter point yesterday. neil: we will see what happens in july. we have the ten-year now under 2%. those are three-year lows. >> yeah, but that's actually an indication that, you know, if investors were worried about inflation, you would think -- neil: you're right about that, but it's also a reflection that maybe they are worried about more than just that. maybe they have moved on, forget inflation, we are worried about this economy, you know, going south. right? >> i don't think -- i don't see it. i mean, i think, i mean, i just don't see any kind of slowdown. i'm a little worried about the china trade situation, but you know, you get that thing resolved, i think there's a decent chance that happens, it's going to be very liberating. neil: he will need to cut interest rates in that environment. >> no, no, see, that's the point. okay. neil: hoping to catch you. >> no. growth does not cause inflation. that's my message. neil: you were fast on your feet. thank you very much. good seeing you again. >> thank you, neil. neil: steve moore. meantime, you hard a lot about slack making its public debut, this corporate messaging service. i'm oversimplifying it. but it is the holy roar today. gerri willis with the latest from the big board. gerri: hey, neil. that's right. slack coming public down here. take a look at this. they are up some 58%. that's what they call volatile but in a good way. the stock doing very well indeed. they are the second successful direct listing down here on the floor of the new york stock exchange. so what is a direct listing? well, there's no pesky investment banker interference. there's no road show, road show the line of buyers. there's no offering price and you don't make money, you don't like bring in a lot of capital with your ipo. so the big question here, why would a company go public that way if you're not getting money? well, we spoke to stacy cunningham, president of the new york stock exchange, about this. here's what she had to say. >> there are a number of reasons why companies go public. first, it's access to capital. two, it's branding and visibility so they can attract new investors. and new customers, frankly. three, it's that liquidity that provides their investors and their employees the ability to trade the shares they already own. then four, it's a currency so they can engage in m & a. gerri: so lots of reasons you would go public as a private company and clearly the people at the stock exchange would like to do more of these, now that they have two under their belt. let me take you back to spotify, the first direct listing that was successful here on the board of the new york stock exchange. the reference price on that, $132. the first day it was $149. its first trade, $165. so think about that delta in that stock. a major move. that's the take-away here. these direct listings are very volatile. they can really move around. so far, the movement is in a positive direction. but we will cover it for the rest of the day and make sure that stays the same. back to you. neil: gerri, thank you very much. gerri willis following that. the volatility can happen no matter how you debut, you know. so many offerings that came to the market whipsawed all over the map. best way to look at direct listings, i like to call it a financial democratizing of these type of events. sort of like if you want to sell your house without a broker. you are confident enough that your house can sell, you save obviously on the commission, and in this case commissions run as high as 7%, 8%, 9%, if you deal with underwriters and bankers and you know that crowd. they have all got their hands in your pockets. no one has anyone's hands in anyone's pockets here. it is pure, it is simple, and for these guys, it's a reminder that they can save a lot of money, like you selling a house and keeping every penny you got for it. more after this. hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? 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"after the bell's" connell mcshane in beijing with the latest. connell: you know, we spent a lot of time this week speaking to company officials, government officials. today, we went out and spoke to some of the people here in china to get their sense of whether or not they're looking forward to that big meeting you mentioned between president trump and president xi to take place at the g20 in japan, and the sense that we got from the people here is that they are really looking for a trade deal to be signed sooner rather than later, and you know, most people relatively optimistic or hopeful about the g20 summit. hoorps here's a sampling. are you optimistic, are you worried? do you think there will be an agreement between the countries? >> actually, i'm thinking [ inaudible ]. connell: you think it's important to have an agreement with the united states? >> of course, yes, because united states is number one largest for the economy and china is number two, and if they are fighting each other, there will be damage to global trading. connell: that last man you heard from is actually in the import/export business, he was telling me. he does see some impact from the trade war in his business. for the most part, we found that the average person we were speaking to on the street was telling us that they don't see a day-to-day impact from the trade tensions with the united states, but many of them are worried about what the future might hold. just one quick example for you, speaking to a college student earlier in the week, you know, about this and got into the huawei back-and-forth and the u.s. crackdown on that company, and he said the reason he was worried about that is that huawei's such a big employer here, especially for people majoring in engineering and whathave you, he was worried that maybe if huawei is in trouble, they wouldn't come to the college campuses and recruit as heavily for young people like him. so when people have a personal interest in it, they see the impact or the potential impact but on a day-to-day basis, very few people see themselves feeling any pain just yet. but they are looking forward to this summit. everybody knew what was going on and they are looking forward to seeing what happens in japan next week. neil: you can literally see they are engaged. thank you very much. connell mcshane. >>> all right. he follows trade very closely, talking about lee speakerman. he says it's very important to keep in mind whatever deal we get is enforceable and we can prove the chinese are making good on what they say they are going to do. he joins us right now. lee, good to have you. >> great to be with you, as always. neil: now, it looks like something is cooking, we don't know how far along, we have been disappointed before. you are in the camp a bad deal is not better than no deal. no deal, if it even hints of that. what do you want to see? >> let me put it this way. if we had an adversary that wanted to weaken the united states and their plan was to do that, what better way than to destroy millions of our manufacturing jobs, implode our middle class incomes and ravage our inner cities? that's exactly what's happened since china entered the world trade organization in 2001. it has destroyed american jobs and incomes. they now have and have had for years a $400 billion goods trade surplus with the united states. we have a $400 billion goods trade deficit with them. $460 billion trade deficit with china overall. neil, that is twice, more than twice china's entire defense budget. so they are swimming in an ocean of money from the united states that they are using to fund their military adventurism, to fund the research they are doing to overtake the united states as the world's technology leader, to fund their new colonialism which is the massive lending they're doing to developing countries around the world to exact control and have leverage over them and undermine the united states and our allies. we cannot allow this to continue and when president trump meets with president xi in japan, i hope he keeps in mind that this is an adversary and that the trade strategy, the nefarious trade strategy china has been employing and continues to employ has got to be stopped and frankly, i think tariffs, not agreements, are the key to doing that. neil: the flipside for americans is they will pay a lot more for stuff. might not be the 25% more that a lot of businesses will eat a lot of that, but they can't eat the whole thing. i don't think americans are ready for that. maybe they should be given a heads-up. >> well, they're not ready for more than 10% of our middle class to have evaporated over the past 30 years during this importing and offshoring orgy that we've had driven by -- neil: you think middle class -- it's in their interest to make sure -- >> you bet. you bet. you bet it's affected them. because what's happened, we have hollowed out our manufacturing base, deindustrialized our inner cities and wonder why -- neil: if you agree on that premise, say you are right on that, we can bicker on that, but do you think the president should be giving the american people a heads-up, you might agree with him tariffs are beautiful things and all that, but people pay them and i think a lot of people to this day have no idea for whatever reason this goes into effect, they are going to pay for them. maybe justifiably to make a statement and to deal with it, but they don't know what's coming. should someone give them a heads-up? >> neil, if we americanize american manufacturing, if we re-d re-domesticate our supply chain, it will create an upsurge in american jobs and incomes. we are right now almost in a disinflation in this country and throughout the developed world. they are worried that the prices are not rising fast enough in this country. we don't have to worry about inflation. what we have to worry about is middle income americans have stagnant or declining real incomes over the past 20 years. the overwhelming reason for that is the deindustrialization of america caused by horrific trade deals that have been made which has also decimated the africa nc african-american middle class. that was the ladder to the middle class to african-americans who fled the jim crow south after world war ii. because of deindustrialization, we decimated our inner cities and decimated so many other millions of jobs around the country and imploded american incomes. when you have this leakage of incomes, when people can source goods in china for $5 an hour, workers making $5 an hour or less, that has a tremendously deleterious effect on american workers. how can american workers bargain for fair wages and get their recompense when they are competing with that? it's atrocious. it has to be stopped. neil: you are assuming a trade deal with china is going to do that. but we'll see. all right. we'll see. >> a deal won't do it. i think it won't do it. i agree with you. china cheats. china cheats. unfortunately. the only way we are going to deal with that is with a permanent tariff at least 15% on all imported goods from china. that would raise billions of dollars for our country -- neil: we shall see, lee. always good chatting with you. always good seeing you. agree or disagree, never disagreeable. >>> in the meantime, now the fbi is getting involved in the deaths of the americans in the dominican republic and testing things out. after this. what do you look for when you trade? i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that. free access to every platform. yeah, that too. i don't want any trade minimums. yeah, i totally agree, they don't have any of those. i want to know what i'm paying upfront. yes, absolutely. do you just say yes to everything? 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>> it seems like it. it was a really solid open. we see the number tick higher and keep on going up from there. so far, so good. neil: if you are an investment banker or an underwriter, you've got to be quaking in your boots a little bit, right? >> definitely. looks like relatively, looks like 2 for 2. we saw spotify went very well, slack went really well. this does cut a lot of banks out of the process. and lowers fees a lot. neil: i'm wondering, too, given some of the bumpier ipos that were not of this type, that maybe that was an impetus for this, and that others are going to think more about going public like this. what do you think? >> it definitely seems like a lot of companies are looking at it, especially, there are a lot of companies that look like slack. not exactly, but software companies, but they are a similar business model, a lot more than look like spotify. i think a lot of smaller ones are watching this, companies that don't need money. that's the real distinction between direct listing and ipo. you're not raising money. but there are companies that want to be public and don't need the money right now. i think they are watching and as you said, we have seen some very bumpy rides with uber and lyft and even in the opposite direction, when a stock goes up 90% and a company sells at that lower price, they have lost out. neil: i do wonder, though, obviously a company like slack which had a track record of over ten million users and corporations around the world, you can make the point that they could risk this, but a lot of companies not so well known, this is not a good idea, right? how does that play out? >> i think it's a really fair point you make. people know them, their financials were really good. they're known enough. some of the companies that i think people say in retrospect could have done it, maybe zoom, they didn't really need the money, crowdstrike, we have seen that go up so high. but the question is, they're not quite as big and well-known. so it will be interesting who is willing to take the gamble next, because there are risks. there's a lot of unknowns here. you don't know whether there are buyers or sellers. those are all big questions. neil: yeah. very much so. maureen, a pleasure talking with you, getting educated on this. maureen farrell. >>> we told you about billionaire investor jeffrey gundlach. he can envision president trump bowing out of the presidential race. how likely is that? after this. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. ♪ ♪ there are roadside attractions. and then there's our world-famous on-road attraction. the 2019 glc. lease the glc 300 suv for just $459 a month at your local mercedes-benzou're smart,eat you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. is where people first gathered to form the stock exchangeee, which brought people together to invest in all the things that move us forward. every day, invesco combines ideas with technology, data with inspiration, investors with solutions. because the possibilities of life and investing are greater when we come together. ♪ >>> do you think the president will get re-elected? 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