after 10 years, berard only five years, -- there aren't -- there are five options. let's do the right thing. director goldstein: next speaker, please. >> hello, i also work with a nationally registered property. i fully support the zillmans. they have been at the forefront of historical preservation. we are telling you, we support the zillmans. i was written upper in "historic preservation" magazine that i took apart and rebuilt, and i rebuilt the original architect board for board, because i supported what the original architect did. i did not agree with what the secretary said. not all preservationists' do. it is a wonderful preservation, and i am here to support them on this project. i also want to say it is a travesty this took 10 years. but the people have made it hard for us. director goldstein: next speaker, please. >> i am dennis. i have known them for over 30 years is. i have seen several of their apartments, and the way they do work, they do beautiful work. what i wanted to bring up is that someone could have easily done this project without a permit, in t