a lot of people feel uncomfortable at the idea of being anybody near somebody who has been to high berea so in a way this is much more psychological but i also think there is some things that we maybe perhaps don't understand about the disease so i am just trying to be as cautious as possible and to sort of treat everybody i come -- everybody i see the same way i would treat my four-year-old nephew, who i definitely am not touching for 21 days. so my sort of the way i am looking at it is, of if i am not going to touch cooper for 21 days for 21 days i won't touch anybody for 21 days. >> paint a picture what it was like on the streets of liberia, a totally different healthcare infrastructure and some of the images we have seen coming from the country have been so graphic in how people are literally lying on the ground outside of hospitals waiting for care. >> i didn't see people lying on the ground outside hospitals because i think that the reporting on that is maybe a couple of weeks old, but what you do see on the street in high berea right now is people .. not touching, you don't see pe