>> bergen: yeah. i mean, there's all sorts of... you know, it's like being in the mafia. some people are made guys, some are sort of, you know... there's a very relatively small number of people who are actually really members of al qaeda. >> smith: what does it mean to be a member of al qaeda? >> bergen: well, in my view, a real member of al qaeda is somebody who's sworn a sort of religious oath of allegiance to bin laden not to... you don't swear an oath of allegiance to al qaeda; you swear a personal oath of allegiance to bin laden. it's not an easy thing to become a member of al qaeda. there are tens of thousands of insurgents in the afghan/pakistan region. there are probably, you know, if you're being generous, 400 or 500 members of al qaeda. >> smith: why would guys like these in this film be sworn to or say that they are followers of bin laden, as opposed to joining the taliban, or simply being a local militia with their own local interests? >> bergen: yeah. i guess being a follower of bin lade

aside from ideological differences bergen a songe also had a personal conflict when berg introduced her sons to his future wife sandra disapproved of his choice. i fell in love right immediately and i hold you in as my friend and the only thing at the requirement was that i should try to and as much. as i can get so that if she annoys me something in my hands again. and that was a really weird recommendation but the loss of half of his team was not the most serious consequence of the split for a song much more important was an archive of three thousand unpublished secret materials which bergen the other defectors took away with them for a bag this data is a form of insurance daniel had all the reason in the world to fear assume it was enraged by his betrayal of so much and even threatened his former friend. he wants it if i would ever put it in danger. it would hunt me down and kill me. and he even repeated that threat a couple of times a waltz others that asked him. on december the first twenty ten into polish and a warrant for a soldier's arrest a week later the wiki leaks chief volun

first, let's kick off and talk a little bit, peter bergen, about what this means.s osama bin laden, he's a figurehead, he was an inspiration. was he an operational impact at all? >> of course he was. i mean, to say that he wasn't in operational control of his network is to ignore the global communications revolution. since 9/11, bin laden's released at least 30 videotapes and audio tapes, many of which have had direct connections to members of jihad around the world. they were things like, hey, we want to take revenge against the car to knowist who painted offensive cartoons of the prophet muhammad. bin bolin made that charge in 2008, as a result of which there were all sorts of attacks against the danish cartoonish who painted these cartoons and attempts to attack the danish newspaper who put out these cartoons. in u.s. military parlance, we talk about commanders' intent. you don't need -- general petraeus doesn't talk over foot soldier in afghanistan about what's required. he puts out general instructions to his followers, and this is what bin laden has been doin

. >> my name is peter bergen. i am an investigative reporter. i do not write content, i do not right product. i do news reporting. i do not write material to put ads around. there are some assumptions coming from this gathering that i find troubling. many years ago, upton sinclair wrote a classical study of journalism. he said that the advertising model does not work. clearly, it does work, but the main thing that is missing from what everyone has been talking about so far is the consumer. when i read long form of journalism, which i write, i print it out. when i mounted an investigation of the region's last year of california, i collected about $7,000 from individuals and parlayed it into six print journeys, seven weeklies. got a lot of national coverage. it made some difference in people's lives, but i did not take a dime from any corporation. ok? so let's talk about how we go back to the model where people who need investigation, news -- because my duty is not to reflect corporations. let us not be proud that we are moving forward because we

as peter bergen pointed out, he did not want this image out there. for people in afghanistan, people of the muslim world, he very carefully has marved his image. fact that he was allegedly invincible. it really projected the strong image of one who was unvincible. a man who fled afghanistan, a man who was hiding, and a man who clearly felt the effectings of that and as i say a frail old looking man watching himself on television. >> stan grant, live from kabul, afghanistan. >>> much more on or our continuing coverage of the entell jens revealed from the department of defense when we come bachlkt t on you ♪ ♪ sometimes i feel like saying... ♪ mom! mom! [ male announcer ] you know mom. we know diamonds. storewide now through saturday, we'll make this mother's day one she'll never forget. momma! [ male announcer ] that's why only zales is the diamond store. >>> welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield along with jonathan mann. we're talking videotapes, dvds, thumb drive, all of that that were seized from osama bin laden's compound just shy of a week ago wh

my name is peter bergen.in laden in eastern afghanistan in march of 1997. >> reporter: peter bergen, a cnn consultant, is the author of "the osama bin laden i know." this documentary is based in part on his groundbreaking reporting. >> he is the son of a billionaire who lives a very frugal, simple life. he's sleeping on the floor. he's not using air conditioning, won't even drink cold water. >> reporter: an heir to one of saudi arabia's wealthiest families, he did not want to stand out, at least not yet. >> he doesn't like really to be a leader. never puts himself in a position to be a leader. >> reporter: but that would soon change. bin laden was about to be swept up in a movement that would carry him from student to the leader of a holy war. it was a religious movement, one that would pit young muslims against the establishment. it was called sawa, or the islamic awakening. >> it was the sawa. at that time it's all about religion and about how to practice islam. >> the sawa was the islamic awakening of the

. >> most americaning got their first look at bin laden during an interview by pieter bergen. now considered one of the world's leading authorities on bin land and terrorism. talked with him by phone the last hour. >> he's a guy who -- 90% of my battle is conducted in the media. he took his media imagery sear justly. it's fascinating to see him kind of look at himself, how he's doing and also preparation for propaganda videos. the videos that have been covere covered. i think these are the images we're seeing right now are essentially outtakes of the two most recent times that we saw him since 9/11 on video. the image we're seeing now, watching himself on television, it was probably meant for internal con surjs not meant for obviously what's happening right now, which is local distribution. and al qaeda, you know, bin laden has always been sort of media adviser. this is not a flattering image as you say. but, you know, there have been people documented him. people in al qaeda see him as a historical first. we were expecting an osama bin laden videotape, because, we thought he

and with us from washington, peter bergen. you studied al qaeda for some time.and why not the number two, al-zawahiri, but this man? >> well, according to the source of this story, a long time associate of both bin laden and zawahiri. they were getting restless about the lack of a normal announcement about somebody to replace bin laden. they tapped saif al adel, who has been involved in anti-american activity since 1993. been involved in jihadist activities to be the de facto leader of al qaeda while they seek the formal announcement of perhaps what will turn out to be zawahiri. that hasn't happened. >> fran townsend, take us through files. when you were in the bush files, did saif al-adel come to your attention? >> absolutely. saif al-adel is a certified ally. he's indicted in the united states, here in the southern district of snooi for his planning role in the east africa embassy bombings in 1998. this is a guy who sits on the military, is rumors to have sat on the military council. the ruling council of al qaeda. after the u.s. began bombing afghanistan, he

for us only much more important was an archive of three thousand unpublished secret materials which bergen the other defectors took away with them for bag this data is a form of insurance. daniel had all the reason in the world to fear a son it was enraged by his betrayal soames had even threatened his former friend he once that if i were to ever put any sources in danger. it would hunt me down and kill me. and he even repeated that threat a couple of times the wats others that passed them. on december the first twenty ten into polish and a warrant for sunday's arrest a week later the wiki leaks chief voluntarily showed up at a police station where they arrested him a week later he was released on bail and the criminal charges against him were never dropped. but thank you. the whole people around the world. let me. watch it wide screen while being away. shortly after he was bailed assan shocked the world with a statement that it was now the turn for the banks to share their secrets denounced the publication on wiki leaks of huge volumes of information on private accounts in swiss banks. on

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peter bergen joins us. they have this 12-minute audio tape. welcome, by the way.e arab spring. says he's joining in the victories. this is interesting because a lot of people said this would run counter to what al qaeda would want. they wouldn't want to see democracies in the arab world. >> right. certainly their analysis the only way to bring change in the arab world was vines. much of what happened in egypt wasn't violent. and they want to install theocracies. no one in the street of cairo or benghazi is asking for the taliban to come into pow are. this is the first time that we've had bin laden comment on this. usually he'd comment on any big news in the muslim world within three weeks. now this is posthumous. >> maybe it was a struggle trying to figure out what their message would be. many said that the arab spring did leave them behind. >> cognitive dissonance. this was what they wanted but had nothing to do with their ideas and the outcomes would not be to their satisfaction. >> talk about the interim leader, the caretaker leader, what is the story. >> the s

. >> my name is peter bergen. i am an investigative reporter. i do not write content, i do not right product. i do news reporting. i do not write material to put ads around. there are some assumptions coming from this gathering that i find troubling. many years ago, upton sinclair wrote a classical study of journalism. he said that the advertising model does not work. clearly, it does work, but the main thing that is missing from what everyone has been talking about so far is the consumer. when i read long form of journalism, which i write, i print it out. when i mounte

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>> i don't know if you have ever read -- peter bergen has read and written many books about osama bin laden. his declaration is he believes that this is the end of osama bin laden, per se -- can carry these kind of missions out. that being said, there are people who will still want to get americans. i think we need 24 hours -- we are not going to let down our guard. we are smart. we have homeland defense. we know what we are doing. today is a day to say that justice has been done. we cannot bring back the people who died and the pain of their loved ones. that is something we cannot do. as stated from the senator from new york, this is definitely closure for many people. this is justice. >> looking at the pictures here, senator boxer, we see young people with big budweiser beer cans in their hand waving american flags and to echo what you have said, there is serious talk of discussion ahead of us talking about threats, but at least we can take a few moments to have a timeout and celebrate something that took almost 10 years that was a painful, painful part of our lives and can now say

cnn national security analyst peter bergen joins us from washington.en in '97, does -- are people galvanized by the death, peter? >> reporter: sadly, when you join al qaeda you don't pledge an oath to al qaeda, you pledge an oath to osama bin laden. other regional affiliates that join, they don't pledge a lethal injectionance -- pledge allegiance to osama bin ladeal pledge allegiance to osama bin laden. there will be pretenders after the death, zahari, bin laden has 11 sons. one or two were chosen to go into their dad's line of business. one was in iran and sort of had a middle management role in al qaeda while he was living under some form of house arrest. he may have been killed in a drone strike in recent years. one of the sons was killed in this special forces raid earlier in the last 24 hours. you can imagine a kid with a family name trying to kind of take over from the dad. with there's no one of bin laden's "stature." >> let me read what cia director panetta wrote, "though bin laden is dead, terrorism is not. we have struck a heavy blow against

as cnn terror analyst peter bergen says seeing bin laden truly dead will end the myth. and puncture what remains of his heroic glow among his followers. so the talkback question today, should the u.s. release the bin laden death photos. facebook.com/carolcnn. i'll read your responses later this hour. >> i understand if it happens it's going to happen fairly quickly. we'll see what the white house, the administration, decides. i wanted to tell you, i had a chance to interview former president jimmy cart yesterday at his office in plains, georgia. he weighed in on this. we asked him the very question. we asked him about, what is the significance of bin laden's dea death? i between play a little bit for you. >> osama bin laden is dead. >> yes. >> what is the significance? >> i think it's quite significant. i wouldn't say that the threat of terror up is eliminated but it's substantially reduced. >> do you think president obama, now having brought bin laden to justice will serve another term? its too early to predict. i hope so, i believe this has substantially enhanced his

peter bergen and fran townsend. reza, i want to start with you. telling, this resolution condemns the united states, says the united states had no business conducting this raid. says nothing about pakistan's failures. where do you expect this to head in terms of relations between the country, is this just political pushback or a serious breach? >> reporter: yeah, i think this is nothing more than pakistani politicians giving themselves an opportunity to get behind the microphone and again talk tough against the u.s. it really shows that despite the crisis this government is facing, it doesn't want to plan on changing its approach when it comes to its partnership with washington. it's the same old finger pointing and the accusations. it's domestic damage control. this is a government that's obviously been embarrassed by this episode. it wants to push back and create the impression that it's taken a tough stance against the country that violated its sovereignty. obviously, the obama administration didn't want this. they want to see a government that

>> well, oddly enough, i just finished a book the other day peter bergen, the osama bin laden i know, i just finished it a few days ago. and as i closed the book, i was thinking about that. this is almost ten years, where is this guy? >> and now we have an answer. >> i wake up two days later and i find out he's gone. >> and deservedly so. your answer, is this justice? >> well, he tried to kill me. he's dead and i'm still here. so i guess that's justice. >> kenny, should we be in afghanistan? should we be fighting in afghanistan? in pakistan, what do you think? >> let's be honest, it's the fight in afghanistan and eventually yesterday into pakistan that led us to where we are, which is the death of osama bin laden. the question is, should we have been there before? absolutely, yes. do we need to remain in pakistan in i guess that's the question we're going to have to ask ourselves now. >> let me ask you the tough question, should we? >> yes, i don't think the job is done. and i look back on the navy s.e.a.l.s carried out at tremendous operation yesterday with lieutenant michael murphy