. >> one of my big takeaways is that regarding berlin versus cuba, khrushchev is saying different things to different levels within the hierarchy. to first tier officials, he is talking about berlin. other officials, it is the secondary reason, gravitating in that direction. those are the people hearing more about the cuba rationale. comes out the spin later because he is trying to explain why he did this. the question about why he does not take credit is a great question. i know he does not take credit initially because the american said if you say anything about the turkish deal, it will not happen. he is out. why he does not take credit in his memoirs, i do not understand. length, the chinese and the cubans were vicious in attacking him. repetitive in his memoirs. you would think you would have gone to town against them. not do that and i cannot explain why. spend the next half by going back over this material but please join me in thanking tim and bark. -- mark. >> does that relate to what we're seeing in the football players with the national anthem? >> we have a long history of rac

>> i would just add to follow up, one of my big takeaways from your work is that regarding berlin versus cuba and the rational for the deployment of the missiles, he is saying different things to those different levels within the hierarchy. to first tier officials he is talking about berlin but to the second tier officials it doesn't mean it's the secondary reason but probably gravitating in that direction. those are the people hearing more about the cuba rational. >> it's spin. the cuba rational, the spin that comes out later because he's trying to explain why he did this. the question about why he doesn't take credit, that's a great question and i know why he doesn't initially because the americans say to him if you say anything about the turkish deal it won't happen. then he, 64 he's out. why he doesn't take credit in his memoirs i don't understand. but at length, because i mean, because the chinese and the cubans were vicious in attacking him for the outcome and you'd think because he's quite repetitive in these -- in his that he would have really gone to town against them saying, you kno

just add to follow up, one of my big takeaways from your work on khrushchev is that regarding berlin versus cuba and the rationale for the deployment of the missiles, khrushchev is saying different things to those different levels within the hierarchy that to the first tier officials he is talking about berlin and this is part of gearing up. to the second tier officials, doesn't necessarily mean it's the secondary reason, but it's probably gravitating in that direction. that's the -- those are the people who are hearing more about the cuba rationale for the missiles. >> i think it's spin. the cuba rationale is spin that comes out later, he's trying to explain why he did this. the other thing, the question about why he doesn't take credit. that's a great question. i know why he doesn't take credit initially because the americans say to him if you say anything about the turkish deal, it won't happen. in '64 he's out. why he doesn't take credit in his memoirs, i don't understand. those memoirs -- >> he does. >> at length? >> no. but he does recognize it. >> but because the chinese and the cubans we