i don't think he's as serious a politician as berlusconi. i think if we do have a president trump, we will see a lot of drift and uncertainty in his administration just as we saw out here in california with schwartz network. schwarzenegger needed a script. he was very good at performing, but he didn't know, he didn't know what he was supposed to say. he didn't know what he was supposed to back as a politician once he was in office. and i fear the same would be true of trump, that he's fascinating in the pursuit of office, but once he's got it, i wonder if he will be bored. i wonder if he will fail the test of seriousness. [laughter] that any, obviously, any president has to pass, a minimal test. >> host: well, booktv is here at claremont mckenna college. what is the setup out here? there's several different colleges, but they're interrelated. how is it, how does it work? >> guest: well, it's articles of confederation. so we go back -- this is not the constitution, this is articles of confederation, there are five independent undergraduate sc

i don't think he is as serious a politician as berlusconi. if we do have a president trump, we'll see a lot of drift and uncertainty in his administration, just as we saw here in california with schwarzenegger. schwarzenegger needed a script. he was very good at performing but he didn't know what he was supposed to say. he didn't know what he was supposed to back as a politician in office, and i fear the same would be true of trump. that he is fascinating in the pursuit of office, but opposite he's got -- once he's got it i wonder if he will be bored. i wonder if he will fail the test of seriousness that any president has to pass. minimal test. >> host: booktv is here at claremont mckenna college. what's the setup out here? is there several different colleges but they're interrelated? how does it work? >> guest: well, it's articles of confederation. so, we good back -- this is not the constitution. this is articles of federation. five independent undergraduate schools and the graduate school two graduate schools, each on seven campuses, cheek

in the developed would be berlusconi. was brash and exactly the same way, kind of macho in the same way, bragged about sexual conquests in the same way. 4 was legitimately extremely rich, richest person in all of italy and controlled three television channels which helped quite a bit. i had a conversation with an italian friend about this. he was really bad for italy. that was not a good period of time for italy but italy survived. but italy wasn't the most powerful country in the world. this was him saying this, yeah, we survived, and it was bad. but it matters more berlusconi running the united states of america. you guys are still the cornerstone linchpin of the international order, like it or not. >> trump supporters have taken fair objection with obama's foreign policy they're getting the sense you can't point to a place in the world safer since obama took office now. that's a problem. you've got the red line. you've got russia acting aggressive and ukraine and us taking a weak response to that. their critique is fai

in this case, an italian get toe who managed to former president -- i am blanking -- president berlusconi. the apartments in new york, at a time when there was an order on his property. creating a system that allows journalist and look at the network. because of course you need to look at the documents. but you need to understand, in each company, what are all the players involved? so we did network analysis. and that really helped. this was another pool that we use in the report. and of course we did all of the traditional reporting, that we all do, not only looking into the leak but going outside of it using databases, lexus nexus, dow jones, everything we do get our hands on to confirm information. we did interviews, travel. sometimes there is a misconception that all of the story, andad the this was really a big-time detective work, working with a lot of public records outside the confidential information. and if you remember, a story published all over the world, this is one of our main stories. we were able to trace nearly $2 billion that some of the associates of president vladimir

see is the would risk acceptance of donald trump -- donaldsque on a berlusconi or putin -- that is reallyre. in this do we sell nation, the elite idea of trade now to someone in the boston housing projects? how do we sell this to the common guy? you have to be kidding me. ian: i recently was giving the talk to the virginia military institute, a fine establishment. i had one of the cadets come over and tell me about his background where the family lost his job. and saying, why should i support this? and i told him, you shouldn't. there is no argument because the establishment parties have done nothing for you. they sold you a story. and you should not be supporting free trade until the american political elites change. tom: this is critical. if we go through george bush senior's lifetime, if we -- have we gotten to the point where we have marginally improved global trade so much that it isn't worth the marginal improvement right now? ian: no, i think it actually is. these are not trade deals, they are standard deals. if americans don't line up other countries to coordinate under american r