he worked it out on her list berlusconni. he's going to look for some kind of personal relations along the , here we are, way up on top altogether, just the two of us, and everybody else is somewhere there below us. i'm not sure whether the couldan political system handle this kind of style of relations. charlie: in syria, what does he want? ,oes he want to have his person bashar al-assad, stay in power, so that russia gets what? mikhail: well, as i already explained, in my opinion, putin one to keep his regime unchanged. because this is done using methods that are very welcome in developed democratic countries, he needs to create the various -- that hee things can change. that is, if you do this for me, if you allow me to do what i orbit, russia's inner then i can give you a concession here. so what he wants to do is first create problems and then make it so these problems can be resolved only with him. syria is one of these problems that has been created specifically so that it can then be exchanged for somethingsyriar his