bernadine dohrn and bill aers are our guests. please go ahead. >> caller: this is david in new york. i was i think a contemporary of dr. ayers at teachers college columbia and we may have that the same professors but i'm not going to bore him with who they are. the comment -- my main comment and then two quick things. is in the early part of the program, the first half hour of dr. ayers you put down the press, and you made it into a monolith, it seems to me, or maybe i was inferring the wrong -- your wrong interpretation of your comment. but it isn't a monolith, and standardized tests can be very good predictors. they don't tell you why a person has scored high or low, but they are good predictors like the s.a.t., the gre, the various iq tests and mechanical tests, et cetera, so i think you're trying to blame the messenger for the message. a more substantial comment is, the real problem with the public schools -- and i went to a public school -- until graduate school -- is the teachers. the teachers were lousy when i went there,

dohrn where did you grow up bernadine dohrn? >> guest: chicago, my home town. the northside. then my parents moved to milwaukee i graduated from high school in milwaukee and it is my 50th reunion year for high school that is the ones you have got to go to. i had a wonderful childhood, not money come i am the first person in my family to go to college. my parents had a high school education. my mom was my dad secretary. she was orphaned as a child and passed around. she lived into her 90s, my dad lived until 94. he was born about ninth and 14th street. in my later life i drove him by the house and said this is weird jane addams or as if i was telling him something and he said i came here every day after school. my sister and i grew up in a loving household they consider themselves a mixed marriage because my dad was jewish, my mom was swedish the families were not happy but they have a good marriage. they wanted better for their daughters. >> host: how did you get involved with a student activism and the anti-war movement? >> gue

but first a little bit about bernadine. how did you get the nickname of the radical left? >> guest: i think it was the lunatic left. >> guest: no, that's bill's interpretation. [laughter] you know, some columnist during the 1970, i think the year 1970 when we first became fugitives came up with that idea. so, you know, it was unusual to have women leaders of national organizations and political organizations, so you had to reach around in history and find somebody similar. >> host: what was your role with the weather underground? >> guest: well, i was a national leader of sds for, from 1968-1970, and then with the weather underground i was part of the team of people that decided to not show up for our court dates and to create an underground. >> host: was that scary when your court date came and went and you weren't there? >> guest: it really wasn't scary. it was rather a relief. we were in a situation in 1969 if i can just conjure it up for a minute those of you who are chicagoans will remember that the level of tension and hostility and violence between the chicago polic

. >> both you and you bernadine dohrn. >> guest: and bernadine will be here in a minute and she can speak for herself which she always does. >> jackson, wyoming. >> caller: i don't want to go negative and you seem to be fill busting but of your comment. one thing that is why we got in vietnam. i was in -- marching in the peace marches in washington, and we used to quote the rockefeller war -- call it the rockefeller war, that we were there to protect rockefellers chase bank, and i heard that -- hoe ho minimum manipulating wanted to talk with kennedy and then we got the situation of the gulf of tonkin. >> guest: well, the gulf of tonkin was the manufactured incident that gave kind of the justification for going into vietnam. it never happened, but in the american media and in the american government put forward this idea that we had been attacked on the high seas. a bit of a stretch if you think about it. if you think about the ways wars are justified, the sinking of the maine and the gulf of tonkin and saddam hussein has weapons of mass destruction. it's true that 9/11 happened. did not h

bernadine healy the former head of the national institutes of health. this is a half-hour. >> host: a lot of doctors yesterday heard with the president had to say about healthcare. what goes on in the mind of the proposals the president's laid out? >> guest: i think what he said yesterday at this speech and of course c-span and everyone else covered it and a chance to listen to virtually every word, i think he pretty much laid out his plan. he stuck to the script and he did a wonderful job in rallying the troops come in addressing an audience that he thought why did ben hostile but who was extremely warm and gave him many ovations, if not standing ovations. i think only one to. i think that he is sticking with the program, which she has to do at this late stage. >> so, when the doctors here about things such as a public plan, what is their opposition? ultimately how does that affect them? >> guest: i think it's too big issues for the doctors yesterday was the public plan and secondly malpractice, which has been a major platform issue and not that there

bernadine healy will give hurt current take on health care. -- will give her current take on health care. next caller on the line. caller: you get somewhere being that way. i think there is nothing wrong with him apologizing. however, i do think that our troops are still fighting the battle. they are not going to give up. i believe our goal is freedom for other countries, as well as ours. i do not know that we should always look to other countries freedoms first. we have our own issues at hand. however, i do believe what is going on there is getting a good push. they are getting partial democracy on their own now. the last terrorist -- teh less terrorists, the more issues that will be resolved. -- the less terrorists, the more issues that will be resolved. host: next caller. caller: i saw no one raising a big fuss about the corrupt government in zimbabwe. we did not even talk about this. now the nation is talking about what we should be doing and what we should not be doing. a corrupt election is a corrupt election everywhere. and that is all i have to say. host: our independent line. ac

bernadine healy, thank you. we will take a look at the middle east in our final segment. joining us will be -- he would join us from new york. he is neil macfarquhar. we will be right back. >> to a house subcommittee takes up the issue of insurance industry oversights. this could threaten the financial system. live coverage begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern. the senate commerce committee considers nominations for the federal communications committee. that will be live at 2:30. both hearings are also on line. >> discovered an unfamiliar side of our first president. we will be live from mount vernon estate on the assent of george washington. join our conversation on sunday, july 5. >> how is c-span funded? >> i have no clue. maybe some government grants. >> advertising for products. >> public money, i am sure. >> how is c-span funded? 30 years ago, it was created by a public service. no government mandate. no government money. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our guest joining us from new york is neil macfarquhar, author of the books "the media relations department of hi

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] ... founding editor of on-line news website frontpage magazine presents an appraisal of higher education based on a multi-year investigation of college curriculum. this event held at the four seasons hotel in los angeles is a little over an hour. >> six years ago i launched a campaign for an academic bill of rights. a campaign for academic freedom. on monday aye shibley headed for chicago with the trustees of the college of dupage, which is jim belushi is all modern are going to adopt or voted to adopt a version of the academic bill of rights. the academic bill of rights was a very modest proposal that basically said if there's a controversial issue, if the subject is a matter of opinion, then students should get to hear both sides of the controversy. that they should be able to read books with more than one perspective. that would seem like a very simple thing. i can tell you that the number of liberals who have supported this modest proposal i can number on half the finge

host: bernadine healy, if you want to ask her a question, 202 737-0002 for republicans. 202 737-0001 for democrats. 202 628-0205 for independence. you cannot treat us. california. we hear from lou from -- who is a physician. caller: i have been a physician since 1962. i have lived through medicare. my major paoint is that medicare is not the same thing as profit. people should be paid reasonably. the insurance companies have corrupted the whole concept of medical care by a huge -- by the huge profits they are making. they are difficult to fight. if obama's does not fit through his government plan, we will have the same thing we have now. it does not work. guest: i think the insurance companies have done a terrible job in not recognizing that they and the doctors are on the same page. they make these astronomical profits, some of which -- and for-profit organizations. the do so often in hostility with the doctors and disallowing many legitimate treatments and making it impossible to render care. a lot of the administrative costs the president spoke about come from insurance companies.

bernadine healy in on at 9:00 a.m.. unexpected encounters. "washington journal" on c-span, every day, 7:00 a.m. eastern. a couple of live events to tell you about on our companion network, c-span3, tomorrow. a subcommittee holds a meeting on insurance industry oversight at 10:00 a.m. eastern. they will look at policies that might threaten the financial system. later, the senate policy committee. this is at 2:30 p.m. eastern. >> july 4 weekend, discover an unfamiliar sight of our nation's first president -- an unfamiliar ligh of side of our nation's first president. >> the senate energy committee continues marking up a bill this week. they spoke about the legislation monday to the energy association. this is one hour. senator lisa murkowski. >> good afternoon. i am barry, an executive director, and it is my pleasure to welcome you. it is our pleasure to have senator lisa murkowski. this is on the record, as are all of our briefings. she is only the six the center of alaska -- the sixth center of alaska. she joined the senate in 2002 -- the six

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] >> i have written a book called "the next hundred years" which is the most presumptuous the book you could possibly imagine. in one sense it is certainly how can i possibly know what will happen in the next 100 years. but in another sense the reason i have tried to create this book is to get a sense of this moment. when i talk about the next hundred years i want to think what are the forces that are real, permanent, not today's crises, but what are the things that will be discussed 50 years from now, 100 years from now? where the forces that are developing underneath a the surface of our global system that will be driving this? if we start back yen and 1900, and i said to you in 1908, by the year 2000 all of the european empires will be gone, the romanovs, the turks, the great century will be the rise of american power, china and japan and korea will be great economic powers. and in the middle will be israel that is the great military force. they would carry me out, give me

. >> host: paul in new jersey, your on with bernadine and bail bill ayers. >> caller: to straighten outnse spending little 19% but not 57% of the federal budget. mr. aer, the bomb went went off, mail bomb meant to go off at a dance. come clean about it. what did you have to do with the book? >> guest: the question of coming clean. the book discusses that at length. >> guest: new morning discusses it. >> guest: the fact is that the people who blew the whistle on what they were up to in the townhouse was us. and it was something that we tried very hard to -- you know, to work away from. so, yes, that was a terrible, terrible decision by the people who were there. fortunately it didn't actually become what it might have become. unfortunately it did kill three of our dear frenches and comrades, and -- friends and comrades so we did come clean about it. i'm hesitant to ask you to buy the become. get it at the public library and i won't get a nickel. that's okay. >> host: do you stay? touch with kathy will kerrson or tom hay dep? >> guest: sure. i want to refer back to the comment of the woma

. >> host: bill ayers is the husband of bernadine dohrn who will join us on our last hour one blocks that they have written it is in this book called seeing it a battle song and we will talk with her about that when she gets here lisa you're on with bill ayers. >> caller: i am here from hawaii. i want to thank you come with thank you so much because everything you pinpointed such an amazing grace it is being heard because my children and me with the economy and everything we were brought up to know the white law, but the difference is we are an economy with a mixed plate so we all got along. yet i am in hawaii, my family before me, even though we come down from the descendants, we were all getting along and it was some meaning be responsible with a latent a. if you want to be treated that way but take care of ourselves like we take care of our land because we need to eat but we all got along. somehow win the war came even though all these different races came and put the timeout to go to the war, they have all different races and speaking but one focus. the people of the united state

. >> host: bill ayers is the husband of bernadine dohrn, who will be joining us in our last hour here, and a book they edited and a lot of their writings are in this book, sing a battle song. the revolutionary poetry and write examination statements of the weather underground and we will talk with her about that. lisa in honolulu, thanks for holing. go ahead with your question. >> hello, hello. i'm here from hawaii and i want to thank you, thank you, thank you, so much, bus you know, everything that you pinpoints is such an amazing grace that is being heard because my children and me with the economy and everything, the basic think is we were brought up to know the white law but the difference is we are economy with a mixed plate so we all got along, and yet i'm in hawaii, my family is before me, even though we come from the descendents were were all living and get can along and our word was take care of your -- be responsible with the land, with your family. if you want to be treated that way, then you treat it then, but it's basically take care of ourselves like we take care of our

. >> host: you being, you both you and bernadine dohrn. >> guest: yeah, and she'll be here in a moment, so she can speak for herself. >> caller: i don't want to seem negative, but, you know, this is a public show, and you seem to be filly busting the public's comment by all your comments. bill, i think one thing that isn't being mentioned here was why we got in vietnam. i was marching in the peace marchs in washington, and we used to call it the rockefeller war, that we were in there to protect rockefeller's chase manhattan bank. and i heard tell that the ho chi minh went to kennedy and asked him, you know, wanted to work with him to try and bring a peaceful solution after the french left. and i don't know why kennedy sent in the advisers, but then i'd also like you to discuss the situation with the gulf of tonkin. so i'd appreciate if you'd take up those issues. thank you very much. >> guest: what was the second one? >> host: gulf of tonkin. >> guest: oh, the gulf of tonkin. well, the gulf of tonkin was the incident that kind of gave justification for going into vietnam. the america

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] @ú@ú