he thought it would be an interesting opportunity to try to get some answers from bernadine and bill. election. exactly how close they were to president obama. so there was six of us who went to actually the apartment of their friend, a very extravagant apartment to have dinner with them. and it turned out we weren't actually necessarily eating with them. they were serving us along with several of their friends and attendants and coming down to talk to us intermittently but it was certainly a bizarre experience. >> well, and they knew you guys were from a web site that tilts to the right. so they knew they had to be on their best behavior. when you asked them about, for instance, their radical past and, you know, the whole terrorist thing, what did they say? >> they -- bill ayers at one point said why don't you read something more contemporary? saying they didn't want to talk about it. but, of course, they have talked about this in books and in documentaries. this is not something they have put to the past and repented for. so it seems like a topic that they would be very naturally wi