in 1980 you and bernadine dohrn resurfaced.when she turned herself in, bernadine promised to spend her energy to defeat the american empire. you say you had resolved by that point not to hurt anybody, but your comrades -- but your comrades did not apparently get the let's be more peaceful memo. i say this because kathy wilkerson, she was with you, correct? >> she was with us. >> she wrote after the fact the process by which weather leaders changed of glorifying violence in january 1970 to moderation wassin visible to almost all weather members. certainly the assumption of building a clandestine fighting force was full steam ahead. if ayers says things were different in the west, most participants did not know this. what did you do to communicate to the people in your group no more violence? >> i don't agree with kathy. so i don't know what to say about it. i mean, we were a loose organization. we were not a disciplined organization. but we changed dramatically in 1970, there's no question. you can read the communique and unders

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