now, your wife, bernadine dorn, has been accused of that crime. do you deny it? >> absolutely nothing to do with it. this is one of the things that keeps recycling. >> let me tell them how it does. larry congratulatewell infiltrated the weather underground. he claimed you visited him in 1970 and claimed she had to do it herself, that bombing, because others weren't active enough in committing violence. the san francisco police union recently accused the weather underground of this murder. >> completelies. larry was in sds -- >> sds was the precursor to the underground. >> it was the student movement. >> larry was lying and they doesn't know what they're talking about. >> bernadine dorn wasn't a fan of the police and referred to them typically as pig zplps sisters and brother, a year ago we blew away the haymarket pig statue at the start of the youth ride in chicago. the head of the police sergeant association called emotionally for all-out war between the pigs and us. we accepted it. last night we destroyed the pig again. it's two and a half weeks since fred hamp

now your wife, bernadine dorn, has been accused of that crime. do you deny it? >> absolutely deny it. absolutely nothing to do with it. but if it were -- so this is one of the things that keeps recycling. >> and let me tell you how it does and i'll give you the floor. larry gratwall, someone who infiltrated the weathermen, he claimed you visited him in buffalo in 1970 and complained that bernadine dorn had to do it herself, that bombing, because others "weren't active enough in committing violence." and the san francisco police union recently accused the weather underground of this murder. >> complete lies. and larry gratwall was in sds but he was never in the weather underground and i did -- >> is the ds was the precursor. >> yes, the student movement. no, larry was lying and the police union doesn't know what they're talking about. >> bernadine dorn was not a fan of the police and referred to them typically as pigs. >> well, that again was the inflated rhetoric at the time. yes, the black panthers did that, we did that, yes. >> i mean, that sort of rhetoric is

in 1980, you and bernadine dorn turned yourselves in. she promised to defeat the empire. you resolved by that point not to hurt anybody. your comrades did not get the let's be more peaceful memo. >> she was with us underground, she wrote after the fact, and i wrote, the process by which letter leaders changed was invisible to almost all weather members. certainly the assumption of most was to build a clandestine fighting force full steam ahead. most participants did not know this. what did you do to communicate to people in your group, no more violence. >> i don't agree with kathy, and so i don't know what to say about it, i mean, we were a loose organization, we were not a disciplined organization, but we changed dramatically in 1970, there's no question. >> you bombed the murtagh house? >> well, there are many communications, many after the townhouse -- >> not the town haus house it says you bombed the murtagh house -- >> yes. >> do you take responsibility for riling people up with your incendiary rhetoric and -- >> no, no, no, we did not set ourselves upon the american

. >> in 1980 you and bernadine dorn resurfaced and promised to defeat the american empire. you say you resolved not to hurt anyone but your comrades did not get the let's be more peaceful memo i say that because kathy wilkerson, a member of the weather underground wrote after the fact, and i quote, the process by which weather leaders change from a language of glorifying violence to monthederation was invisible to almost all weather members. certainly the aassumption of most is that a plan to build a clandestine fighting force was all steam ahead. if a plan was ahead in the west most participants did not know this. >> i don't agree with kathy. i don't know what to say about it. i mean we were a loose organization. not a dismrined organization. >> there are many communications and including after the town house, explaining. >> it said you bombed murta's when you're denying. do you take responsible for riling people up with your rhetoric and then setting them upon the american public with a commitment to violence? >> no. no. we did not set ourselves upon the american public.