i bernard ashby, i want you to also address this question of -- what happened to him for anti-vax-ism piece of equipment that could have prevented this and address these anti-vaxxers that are using the strategy to promote their ideology. >> first of all, i don't know the answer to that question. again, this is a freak occurrence. it occurs very infrequently. it happens in car accidents, when you get hit by a baseball, football. so, it is something that occurs so infrequently that it is we have really limited utility in trying to prevent it. >> sure. >> the other question, with the anti vax, misinformation that is out there, it is really ridiculous. i don't know if you saw -- case, but basically, you come to rock nation, vaccine -- and it is a pretty disappointing night, instead of lifting up this man and trying to -- jumping to all kinds of weird, wacky theories. >> amen to that, amen to that. dr. bernard ashby -- that really was one of the best explanations i have seen -- and william rhoden, friends both, happy new year to you. and next up, slippery george santos slides into the slip