bob was really stumped at this because it was a very, you know, very complicated case with bernard goetz looking at eight real threat or where these kids just hacking around and panhandling? so bob and i played out the roles of the victims and mr. goetz. then we switched and he was the victim and i was bernard goetz and we switched back and forth. and this exercise, which really goes back to the training of long ago, it helped him decide what the right thing to do was. and decided to indict bernhard goetz for shooting at these unarmed kids. >> what do you think is the biggest misconception or the misconception that bothered you the most that people may have about first union with bob? >> what? >> about the union, the two of you being a together. >> well, i think in the beginning i didn't realize this because i was, you know, i was radical. i was, you know, antiwar protester. my whole life was dedicated to that, and the least thing i wanted to do in the world was to have riches enter live a luxurious life -- and to live a luxurious life. so when bob and i fell in love, which was counter t