things in a more trustworthy way and it enables use cases that aren't enabled -- >> so are you the tim berners-leeockchain? >> i'm not a guy named vitallic buterin might be >> he's like 23. >> would it be all right to call it almost like the apple app store in a sense where people go on there, build an app on top of your platform and then the world can use it is it a good analogy >> except it's not a walt garden it's like the world wide web anyone can permissionlessly upload an application and people can use tiny slices of this ether token to pay for the use of those applications. >> joe lubin, we really appreciate you coming in co-founder of ethereum we learned a lot hopefully our audience will. we'll see you again. >> i hope so >> i even understood that last sentence he said thanks, brian. ge may be down again today, but these giants of the dow, take a look at them, they are picking up the sckla we're going to ask two top traders how to trade this rally. flexshares etfs are built around the way investors think. with objectives like building capital for the future, managing portfolio risk and liq