but whether it started when bernie said it did or much earlier, only bernie knows. what's going to happen to us? i've been doing the math, and at the end of the day the amount of money i've taken out and pulled out over the years is about a wash. mark stood up, this is bullshit, he yelled, i'm out of here. i'm going with him, andrew said. i'm leaving, he repeated. okay, let's go, andrew said. he followed his brother into the elevator and out into the fall drizzle. clyde stuck his head out the window. what am i doing? andrew shouted into the wind, the old man is still upstairs, you're waiting for him. mark had already stepped off the curb and hailed a cab. andrew slid onto the street next to his brother. the cab driver turned around, where to? just drive. the driver started to inch down lexington avenue. andrew felt grateful, it would buy him time to think. he turned to mark. what do we do? we need a lawyer right now. how? what do we do? walk into the lobby and scream, help? andrew asked, referring to the white shoe firm famous in corporate law. no. we need a real la

>> bernie! hey, bernie, give me one nice shot, buddy. bernie, turn around, buddy. come on! >> smith: the year was 1960. madoff had just graduated from hofstra college and married his high school sweetheart, ruth alpern. he was working out of her father's accounting firm in midtown manhattan. from there, he launched a career as a market-maker, matching buyers of stocks with sellers on wall street. >> he started this little stock trading firm, one of many in wall street's outer fringes at that time, and slowly built it up, building up customers. it was kind of like a wholesale firm. >> he would actually pay clients such as fidelity, charles schwab. he'd pay them a penny a share to come and trade through him. so he saw lots of trading volume that way. >> smith: in other words, he would pay for what they call "order flow"? >> exactly. >> smith: what wasn't known on wall street was that madoff had a side business as an investment advisor. >> the investment advisory business operated, so far as we can tell, completely under the radar. we know, to some extent, that it began small;

you had the surreptitiously recorded tape of davis talking to coach bernie fine's wife. you described as damning. in retrospect, was espn too cautious in not reporting the allegations? >> i don't believe we were, howard. what we had at the time was one source, bobby daves. he had told us a story about a well-respected coach there, had been at syracuse for many years. bobby put us to three sources that he thought would either corroborate his story or tell stories of their own about being abused by bernie fine. of those three, either they wouldn't talk to us or denied the story. he also gave us a tape that we were not involved in producing, he had taped -- >> you say you had doubts about the -- doubts about the reliability of the tape with lori fine? >> i didn't have doubts particularly about the reliability, but again, we weren't there when it was taped. so we were taking the word of bobby davis who had just come to us. the tape itself -- >> what changed? we're here eight years later, espn goes with the story. what changed to make your organization comfortable with puttin

one of bernie fine's accusers taking him to court after the d.a. says no criminal charges will be filed. >>> occupy san francisco raided, tents torn down, dozens hauled away, camps cleared out of every major city on the west coast and payback plan today. >>> ex-press, proud papa, bill clinton sit downs with alina cho and talks about chelsea's evolution from first daughter to scholar to reporter. this is your "am: wakeup call." >>> and good morning to you. this is your "am: wakeup call" for thursday, december 8th. from the time warner center in new york, i'm carol costello. here are the top stories. >>> one of bernie fine's accusers is expected to announce he's filing a lawsuit in civil court. zam tom selly accused the former basketball coach of sexually abusing him in a pittsburgh hotel room in 2002. the fda hearing evidence about whether the birth control pill is dangerous. the government looking at side effects including claims about an increased risk of blood clots. there are allegations the drugmaker bayer hid evident of risk. >>> heavy rain an

new information tonight about the bernie fine investigation.at they will not charge the former syracuse university basketball coach with sexually abusing two former ball boys, bobby davis and mike lang, but only because the statute of limitations has expired. the district attorney, william fitzpatrick, made a point of saying that both men's allegations were credible. he called the taped phone conversation between davis and fine's wife compelling evidence. you heard that on this program. he also left the door wide open for new charges. >> i can't bring bernie fine to justice for what he did to bobby davis and mike lang, and if there's other victims out there, we'll certainly pursue them with the fullest extent of the law. >> well, federal authorities are still investigating allegations brought by a third accuser, named zack tomaselli. but fitzpatrick said his office has turned over exculpatory evidence that would support fine's defense in that case. in a statement fine's attorney said, "it appears now that there is proof that tomaselli fabricate

bernie is next. >> bill: thanks for staying with us. herman cain and newt gingrich, how is the media treating them. joining us from miami, the purveyor of bernard goldberg.com mr. goldberg. also herman cain, here is what he said when he suspended his campaign. >> these unproved allegations continue to be spined in the media. and in the court of public opinion so as to create a cloud of doubt over me and this campaign and my family. that spin hurts. >> bill: what about that, bernie? what do you think? >> well, i don't think herman cain had a media problem. he had a woman problem. he had more skeltons jumping out of closets than a haunted house on halloween. i mean, what was the media supposed to do? he he was a leading candidate on a major party running for president of the united states. the allegations came one after another. it's legitimate number. could you imagine if the media ignored the story and he somehow won the nomination? in this came out before the election. conservatives would be yelling that the media kept it under wraps a

it is not known right now where bernie fine is.i can tell you last week i had a chance to talk to laurie fine for a short amount of time. she's still in her house with their children. i was really surprised. she's gotten a lot of scorn since this audiotape was released. she was smiling when i talked to her but she ultimately slammed the door in my face. >> gary, real quickly here. you said bobby davis, what was his response? obviously the judge says he is so, so sorry. do we know how the alleged victims are taking this now? >> reporter: yeah. i think they feel like people are finally listening to them. bobby davis came forward in 2002. the local new hampshispaper acks he was going to make a tape with laurie fine. the newspaper heard the tape but made the decision not to go to the police or district attorney to ask them about it. syracuse university conducted an investigation in 2005. they say their intentions were good but it wasn't a thorough enough investigation. the district attorney says he didn't know about this tape or case u

you familiar with bernie madoff? the boys told me an incredible story he is running a ponzi scheme at 50 billion. >> 50 million? by 50 billion. >> is the same for telling the truth? >> no one from family members to the top players in the countries could wrap their heads around the figure it would dwarf the worldcom scandal of 11 billion meaning bernie madoff had committed the biggest financial fraud in history. and next our markets manager had to talk about their relationships, their jobs and their lives. he asked repeatedly if they were involved. >> we have no idea. none whatsoever. we were completely blindsided. their raft of the story. we need to report this but i am not sure how to do that revenue partner who came on board from the sec allowed to bring him and. he picked up the phone. the clock was ticking and it was already 5:00. soon the sec offices would close they needed to get somebody on the phone but it had to be the right person. he turned to injure and mark. are you comfortable doing this? there was a cl

bernie goldberg, everybody. >> bill: coming up. dennis miller has things to say about president obama, mitt romney and oprah. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. [ charlie ] try zinc free super poligrip. >> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly. miller time segment tonight, dennis miller got a chance to meet mitt romney this weekend. concerned about the growing class warfare deal. the sage of southern california joins us from los angeles. let's take the class warrior business today. president obama a warrior for the midd

that spin hurts. >> bill: what about that, bernie? what do you think? don't think herman cain had a media problem. he had a woman problem. he had more skeltons jumping out of closets than a haunted house on halloween. i mean, what was the media supposed to do? he he was a leading candidate on a major party running for president of the united states. the allegations came one after another. it's legitimate number. could you imagine if the media ignored the story and he somehow won the nomination? in this came out before the election. conservatives would be yelling that the media kept it under wraps and hurt their guy. i think that the media i'm sure there are exceptions but by and large they played fair with herman cain. >> i see it differently. i think the media gave them a much harder time than they did john edwards. if it wasn't for the national inquiry. >> no question. so the media -- everybody knew that john edwards was doing stuff that wasn't legitimate. nobody in the mainstream media pursued the story. national inquiry had to do the story and they

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bernie goldberg, everybody. >> bill: coming up.miller has things to say about president obama, say about president obama, mitt romney and oprah. capital one's new cash rewards card gives you a 50 percent annual bonus. so you earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it. who wouldn't want more cash? [ insects chirping ] i'll take it. i'll make it rain up in here. [ male announcer ] the new capital one cash rewards card. the card for people who want 50% more cash. what's in your wallet? sorry i'll clean this up. shouldn't have made it rain. >> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly. miller time segment tonight, dennis miller got a chance to meet mitt romney this weekend. concerned about the growing class warfare deal. the sage of southern california joins us from los angeles. let's take the class warrior business today. president obama a warrior for the middle class and you are going. you say? >> ironically class warfare not really classy. billy,

there was no question. >> when it came to bernie, what did she say about the way bernie fine acted that made her know. >> the way they would do things, the way they would watch tv, the way they would eat food together, the way they would suddenly disappear together. >> what did laurie fine say to her. >> laurie fine had numerous conversations with her. the gist of the conversations were i don't have the right parts for bernie and clearly indicating you recognize the hearsay implications, but clearly recognizing that laurie fine was of the opinion that bernie fine was gay and that they were leading two separate lives in the same house. >> the nanny that worked there said that laurie fine talked to her, a 16-year-old girl, about she didn't have the parts for her husband? >> you know, it was difficult to listen to, but that's exactly right. >> remember, fine's wife, laurie, discussed her husband in a telephone call. espn says the conversation was secretly recorded by accuser bobby davis back in 2002. fine is heard saying her husband has issues. >> i know some things about you that if you k

bernie fine's third accuser taking him to court after the d.a. says no criminal charges will be filed. >>> when all of his staff left and he was tanking out i predicted he would have another run. >> a guy that nose a things two about doing battle with newt gingrich tells us why he would never count him out. >>> the dangerous road out of iraq. we are on the move with the 82nd airborne in steel fortresses designed to get them home live on this "american morning." >>> and good morning to you. happy day before friday. december 8. christina and ali have the morning off. here with alina cho. >> former syracuse basketball coach bernie fine about to be hit with a civil suit by a third accuser who claims fine molested him. lawyers for zach thomaselli will announce the lawsuit later this morning. federal authorities are still investigating his allegations to determine if they are credible. a state prosecutor says the two original accusers are credible. bernie fine won't be charged with sexually abusing bobby davis and mike lang because new york's statute o

>>a civil lawsuit was filed this morning against former sixth syracuse assistant basketball coach bernie fine attorneys for zachary tomaselli announced this suit at a news conference earlier this morning tomaselli claims that bernie fine fondled him in a hotel room in 2002 federal authorities are investigating the credibility of that claim charges aren't likely since a judge ruled that the statute of limitations has expired during today's news conference tomaselli admitted that he themselves abused a 13 year-old boy >>i am truly sorry for that and i have also been reading about how bernie fine has victimized others i know he is lying and that's why i chose to go public >>prosecutors in new york announced yesterday that there will not file charges against bernie fine and two other cases because the statute of limitations has run out as well >>a serial bank robber gets away with his crimes ... the so- called "wheaton bandit" is accused of roughing up to 16 banks since 2002 his first seven heists targeted banks and wieden and he last struck december of 2006 but the statute of limitations ex

how do we catch bernie madoff? there are lots of ways. in the case of bernie madoff, it was actually pretty easy. some of the people who wanted to invest with bernie madoff looked at his books and said, this is a problem. and i'm going to call the cops. and they did. a hedge fund manager wrote a nice memo to the sec. he sent it twice. it was about six years before they finally caught him, elaborating on this being a fraud. i think it is not hard. when all you're trying to do is catch crooks, it is not hard to catch them. let me argue something radical. there are a lot less croaks under capitalism than with regulations. regulations create all these loopholes. we lebanon in burma were businessmen are taught do what ever you can get away -- we live in an environment where business men are taught to do whatever they can get away with. i do not think we need a huge government -- i think, you know, certainly, the justice department could be quite a bit smaller. you need enough to get the bad guys. >> our other speaker tonight is the author of a

that was the question that bernie shaw decided to ask. and then at that time there was a moderator and three panelists. they had a meeting. the three panelists and bernie. the day of the debate, whenever there questions. how they're going to do things and whenever. it's a long involved story, but the three other panelists, margaret warner who was with newsweek, of course, now with the pds newshour. andrea mitchell who is with nbc news. and and compton who was with abc news. they are the three panelists, three women who said to bernie, when a minute. we think that question, tried to talk a matter of it. and at least not use her name. and bernie was adamant that he would ask the question. and i think in doing some supporting, old-fashioned sporting about the reading and have a knockabout discovered that there were some hard feelings that exist to the state about the fact that these three analysts try to talk to other best in the question in the first place. there was some talk about whether somebody the question ahead of time. the word leak

is in upstate new york with more details. >> reporter: former syracuse university assistant coach bernie fine will not face state child molestation charges. >> bobby davis and mike lange would be charged to be credible but for the obvious problem of the statute of limitations, their allegations would have resulted in the arrest of bernie fine at least for the misdemeanor charge of sexual abuse in the third degree. >> reporter: three men accuse fine of sexually molesting them in the 1980s when they were teenagers. two were former ball boys. sthird 23-year-old zack tom celli. they're still looking into tom celli's allegations since they fall within the statute of limitations. fine denies all of the charges but on an audiotape that recently became public, his wife acknowledged her husband's alleged sexual abuse when speaking to one of his accusers. >> i know everything that went on with them. >> the university fired the 65- year-old last month after the 2002 tape surfaced. >> anyone listening to that tape which will be authenticated by federal authorities cannot fail to understand that bobb

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bernie is next. >> thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly in the weekdays with bernie segment tonight. last weekend news anchor on msnbc said this. >> so you might not hear mitt romney say keep america american anymore that's because it was a central theme of the kkk in the 1920s, it was a rallying cry for the group's campaign of violence and intimidation against blacks gays and jews. >> we reported on a blog item that compared a phrase used by the romney campaign to one used by the kkk way back in the 1920s, it was irresponsible and incendiary of us doing that showed appalling like judgment. we apologize we really do to the romney campaign. >> bill: joining us from miami the purveyor of bernard goldberg.com mr. goldberg. so msnbc did what they had to do. you know, i don't have a beef with it do you? >> yeah, i do as a matter of fact. i think chris matthews showed courage in apologizing for something he personally didn't do. but msnbc management that apologizes they set the tone where this kind of stuff was allowed to happe

weeks after bernie and ruth celebrated their 49th year of marriage they went to the christmas party.

bernie goldberg has some thoughts. [cheers] >> big fat phony alert. a bunch of women weeping for the dead north korean dictator. [howling] >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. captions by closed captioning services hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. a member of congress not allowed to wish you merry christmas on the taxpayer dime. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo. as everybody knows except the aclu christmas is is a federal holiday signed into law by president grant in 1970. members of congress received a memo from the franking commission the folks who tell congress people who gets free mail and who doesn't. saying that a merry christmas sentiment, not allowed at that taxpayers should not be footing the bill for that in fact, the congressional handbook says that personal greetings cannot be mailed free only business stuff falls under that banner. that makes senses specially because the federal government is broke. now, there is a loophole. if a congress person sen

bill o'reilly in the weekdays with bernie.david forum who once wrote speeches for bush the younger is a lifelong republic but not a big fan of fox news. >> you can always find good people doing good work in bad situations. you can find people doing bad work in good situations. the question is what is the impact on the viewer? we know, for example, the people watch a lot of fox come away knowing a lot less about important world events. >> you are assuming a cause and effect there. >> that's the correlation that we know. >> bill: who is we? a nationwide pew research study shows viewers of "the o'reilly factor" are 16% higher than the average knowledge than. who is we? with us is bernard goldberg. i'm not getting this guy's beef. not that he is an important guy. is he a contributor on cnn and this and that other conservatives i have heard say that as well. they seem to be mad at fox news. i'm getting letters about the campaign. getting mad at us. what is the beef? do you have any idea? >> i think i do. first, i want to make clear

senator bernie sanders is here. and president obama pulls out the trump card on anyone who questions his record on foreign policy. >> ask osama bin laden whether i engage in appeasement. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks, thanks for watching. even rick perry and michele bachmann think donald trump is a chump. this morning perry became the latest republican to reject the trump-moderated debate planned for december 27th. he told a group of supporters in south carolina he's just too busy. >> i've had this trump -- i mean, i've had my bus tour, and i really -- i talked to donald the day before yesterday. i told him, i said i really want to do it -- >> if you want me, pick me up in your helicopter, take me to the debate. >> that's a good idea. >> bring me back to my bus. >> i'm not sure donald will do that for me. >> later today a spokesman for michele bachmann announced that she won't be attending. "we have confirmed that we are not participating in the newsmax/trump debate." so much for being the kingmaker. al