, bernie, bernie. >> yeah, here is the thing.e wins if you and chuck todd and company don't call it by 11:00, okay. bernie wins. >> how? explain. >> because that means it's a virtual tie and it means he will have fought a two term incumbent senator from new york to a standstill. >> but you've got to beat the champ, do you remember that rule. >> yeah, i do. >> reminding people of clinton's vulnerabilities, she said on morning joe j morning joe, here is the senator. >> how often have i talked about hillary clinton's e-mails? have you heard me? not a word. how often have i talked about the clinton foundation's fundraising. have you heard me say one word about it during the campaign. to say i am running a vvitrioli campaign -- >> why aren't you? >> that was bernie channelling richard nixon. he would say well, i could discuss that, it would be wrong. >> some people say the supreme court is loaded with communists. >> isn't that what trump -- >> everyone, he hit all the bad problems about hillary clinton and said but i wouldn't -- when

bernie sanders, breaks for bernie sanders there. and young people, no surprise there.e won independents by a pretty wide margin there, too. it's interesting because hillary clinton, when asked the top quality for their candidate was the right experience, they think hillary clinton is experienced. what do you make of what the exit polls are telling us about the division here between clinton and sanders. >> it's a lot of what we've been seeing. once again she wins on electability. she wins on being ready for the jo job day one, but he's more exciting to people, and bringing out young people. we've been repeating it because it's important, but the demographics in wisconsin favored bernie sanders. hillary clinton outperformed her last go-around in wisconsin tonight. it's not a great state for her. it's predominantly white. she does much better among minorities than bernie sanders. we've seen over and over now in this campaign that hillary clinton wins a few and pivots to the general election. we write how the bernie sanders campaign has been put to bed, then he comes back

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hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. tonight's cnn presidential debate is the final face-off before the absolutely crucial new york primary. he has the momentum, she has the math. the stakes are high and the stage is set. >>> fight for new york. he was born here, she was elected here. sanders has proved he can draw big crowds in new york, but clinton leads in the polls. can tonight's debate determine who wins most of the state's 247 delegates? >>> bern moment. since hillary clinton swept the early voting south, bernie sanders claims the election calendar, quote, distorts reality while his wife tells cnn the process isn't democratic at all. is this sanders' last chance to break through hillary clinton's firewall? >>> and no charges. a sigh of relief for donald trump's campaign as his campaign manager won't be prosecuted for grabbing a reporter. while all three republican candidates will appear at a gop gala in manhattan across the river from our democratic debate. i'm wolf blitzer inside the debate hall. you're in "the si

bernie sanders is behind.e needs to inspired his supporters, who are pretty easily inspired by him. and he needs to create a different mimic in the race. he is as close to criticizing as her. this makes it april in new york. a brawl in new york is what he needs to win new york. john: your argument is that although he twisted her words and went further than was merited, it's good for him because he needs to basically do that. pecans just stay on the path he is on-- -- he can't just stay on the path he is on. he has to do something unfair. mark: if we want to talk about twisted words, we can talk about how the clinton campaign said bernie sanders wanted to get rid of universal coverage. john: the clinton campaign has been guilty of this throughout the campaign. saying that bernie sanders was friends with the koch brothers. mark: they can get rid of their crocodile tears. i have said before, this is good for him. he is standing up to her. he is changing the dynamic. it does not mean it's going to help him win. it

bernie boosters made it rain. pelting hillary clinton with real money as she drove to his mansion. >> it is an obscene aim of money, sanders campaign they talk about it is right, it is ridiculous, that we should have this money in politics. kennedy: you are in the ridiculous now. so, why do we have this filthy money in politics, george? >> we need to confirm a supreme court justice because, that fifth vote can overturn citizens united and get this obscene ridiculous aim of amount of money out so i never have to did a fundraiser again, that is why i'm doing it. kennedy: you are so brave, george, there was a supreme court case you fundamentally disagreed with? you are propping up the sim claisystem you claim to despise because you are such a hero, that is like a pro life person, upset with roe v. wade. george went out met the protesters in san francisco. >> it was a funny thing, i went to try to talk to him, he said i was a corporate shell, that is funny. kennedy: kissing a of -- arse after a box office bomb with cl

you are a bernie guy. >> i am. as of the last debate. >> where does bernie go now? he got whacked today -- yesterday. >> it was a rough day, rough week. but bernie persists. i mean the thing is he's got a lot of supporters. the numbers are increasing as far as the number of people coming out to support him. he's got a real message that resonates. he comes across authentic because he believes what he's saying. >> i think so. he's got a philosophy. he's got an ideology. he's a democratic socialist and talks about it. >> and his philosophy resonates with people because he's giving the people -- he's bringing the people's message to the media. >> so it's a weird situation because it is getting later. it's may in a week or two. it's going to be may, and i keep thinking oh, this thing is going to go on forever, but it doesn't. all of a sudden it's june, and then we have the convention. it's very close coming on. what does he do if he faces defeat? does he unite his forces and say, i'm who i am. hillary's different. i'm going to wait this out? what's he do? next time? >> w

the reverse, bernie sanders supporter, only 15% say they wouldn't support bernie sanders. that is on her to-do list once she's able to finish off this nomination, if she's able to do so. the first thing on her to-do list is bringing those people in. she probably has more experience than anybody else about what needs to happen, right, because if indeed she vanquishes bernie sanders, she's going to think back to the conversations that barack obama had with her about what he needed from her to help heal thebacarri, certainly has helped her. the momentum appears right now to truly be in his court. >> i have to push back on what was said to my right. this race has not been about momentum. this race is purely about demographics. we understand the diversity of alaska and the diversity of hawaii, but we're talking about african-american voters here in new york. we're talking about hispanic voters here in new york and that's vastly different. that's first. this enthusiasm gap that we keep making up is purely nonexistent. the fact of the matter is hillary clinton is dominating this

bernie sanders kind of get that.clinton -- excuse me, hillary clinton and donald trump know the new york culture we are talking about, which i still think exists. i know your point from earlier, but it is still a little early there. they had a plan and they went through it -- will matter a lot. we saw the shortfalls. i am not really getting at with sanders in the daily news interview and made all of those, what i would say, intemperate remarks. he was saying, the daily news, it is just a dumb tabloid. he made it to arthur brown. if you had been around new york , guys like that are kind of legend and the are getting older and not getting out to the bronx as much as they used to, but factors in the want to make an impact and they do. they know their stuff. john podhoretz: can i make a contrary argument? interview was a disaster for sanders if you assume the sanders voter cares about issues. this is the reverse mirror image of trump. they are not groaning on issues, they are voting on one thing or two things, feelings s

those are actually bernie sanders supporters. see them? bernie, bernie, bernie. coming out right now. let's just watch for a second. okay. so bernie is just arriving. take the banner down, please. >> okay, you see people in rome, some excited to see bernie sanders coming to deliver his speech. he's hoping to meet with pope francis. don't know if he will. harry, why did bernie sanders take a break to go to vatican city? >> that's a great question. i think that sanders, honestly, feels a kinship and a camaraderie with the pope, and they're speaking the same language, except that the pope is talking about global matters of income inequality and climate change, and that's in bernie sanders' wheel house. he sees a true comrade, and i don't know, you're invited to the vatican. you say, okay, i'll show up, and i think that it plays well in this country. i think that if hillary clinton had been invited, i think he'd have gone to rome. it just shows very very well his strength and that he can be above politics some of the time. >> all right. i have to leave it there. bern

bernie sanders 55.8%, hillary clinton 43.9%. he's ahead, bernie sanders, by almost 75,000 votes. a big win for bernie sanders in wisconsin. let's go over to john king. on the republican side, now that ted cruz has won wisconsin, it's going to be a little bit harder for donald trump to reach that magic number of 1,237, the delegates he needs at the republican convention in cleveland to automatically get the nomination. >> it is. and donald trump is the only candidate still in the race with a plausible scenario but difficult scenario. ballpark right now, wolf, donald trump needs 62% of the remaining delegates to get to the magic number of 1,237. ted cruz, who said he could do it, needs 90% plus, somewhere in the ballpark of 92% of remaining delegates. but an open convention looks much, much more like lly tonigh? why? let's assume we'll be generous tonight to donald trump and move forward, giving him 6 delegates and the bon us delegates out of missouri. we'll be generous in the northeast, new england, rhode island, connecticut, new york. let's just say donald trump wins pennsylvania

if you live in brooklyn, if you live in a lot of these places the enthusiasm for bernie, the bernie paraphernaliapporters feel a little bit cowed, a little bit defensive. i was positive he was going to sweep my neighborhood in brooklyn. i looked at that neighborhood by neighborhood delegate -- or that neighborhood by neighborhood electoral map the "new york times" put out and she won overwhelmingly. i think it goes to what you said about the difference between these big rallies and actually kind of building support at the very granular level. >> i want to go to my pollster because you did see in the map michelle is talking about that hillary clinton actually won the district in which the rallies took place including the one in washington square park. so people came to these rallies and in that district she actually won. what is that saying about the democratic electorate? is it the hillary voter is a more cowed but not out for public. >> i don't know that but i know it's the back that broke this sanders campaign. how much time and effort did he spend -- bernie sanders knew the importance of placi

>> bernie sanders.e talking about tissues and from the perspective of what is right and wrong. and his base issue of living wage is one of the most important that can lift everyone else up. >> thank you so much. we'll be here all day talking to voters and watching for the debate tonight at cnn. >> very interesting. thanks to both of those young women. and thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. up next, berman and bolduan. you do all this research on a perfect car then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should have done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. just one of the many features that comes standard with our base policy. call for a free quote today. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. zblnchs fame or attention? that could drive america down into a ditch. >> they're acting like union boss thugs. >> the system, folks, is rigged. >

hillary clinton and bernie sanders will take to the stage. they're going to grapple in their final debate before the all-important new york primary on tuesday. it's a face-off that comes at a very crucial juncture in this campaign, as you look at pictures of inside of the hall. and on one side, you have hillary clinton, who has won more delegates. more popular votes. and more states. and then on the other side, you've got bernie sanders, who has won eight of the past nine contests. in other words, this is about math versus momentum. and in the past few days, both campaigns have ramped up their attacks, hitting each other harder on character and on policy. take a listen to this. >> our job is to stand up to these powerful special interests, not to take their money. >> under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in new york, senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. >> i don't think you are qualified if you have supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement. >> seriously, i've been called a lot of things. over the years. but

how does it look for bernie sanders? >> before we get to the delegate map, these are very important numbers. that's statewide number, if she keep that percentage up in the congressional district. the democratic rules are so generous to the person who comes in second, that hillary clinton not only needs to be above 50% of the districts, she actually needs to be closer to 60% to get, if there's six delegates in a district, if you're close to 60%, if you're around 55%, you split the delegates. the delegate math could be different than the final vote math, but to jeb's point, let's come over and switch this to the democratic race. this starts to get hard. then the question is she believes she's going to have a very strong night next tuesday and in scenario, we give bernie sanders rhode island. the clinton campaign thinks they can win connecticut, pennsylvania, maryland, and delaware, and if you're out to an area now, remember, 225 to start the night, 229, they think they can be out in the 280 area by the end of the night tom

bernie sanders -- >> i'm sorry. asked you. >> right. >> you're taking great umbrage that they won't say whether they're qualified. your candidate is saying she is not. that would be more divisive. >> no. >> more negative. >> sure, listen. what bernie is doing reacting to an attack, which they launched against him, and his qualifications to be president of the united states. i mean, it is, you know, these guys wanted to have that tack. they wanted to have an opportunity to go against him and the hard but subtle way that they do. i went to law school a long time ago, and i think secretary clinton learned the same thing i did in law school. how to answer a question without saying the words, okay. she is very good at it. that's why they don't say the word qualified, okay. but the truth is, we know exactly what they're doing. we would love to have a debate on the big issues, a rigged economy held in place by a corrupt system of finance. that's the fundamental issue. if she wants to debate it with us, we look forward to t

he was talking about bernie from brooklyn.here's an eyebrow raiser i'm wondering if you got any insight. this is all about new york city, about momentum, yet tonight we hear the senator will jump on a plane after the debate to head to the vatican to be part of a symposium on poverty and how to make a change. why do something so dramatic right now? >> look, this isn't a move any veteran campaign adviser would ever want their candidate to do just a few days before a crucial primary, but for bernie sanders, it was a simple decision, he said. he identifying so much so with what pope francis' positions are on economic inequality, on environmental advocacy, that this just made a lot of sense. clearly, taking himself off the campaign trail for 36 hours is something his team wasn't exactly thrilled with. most of them weren't even aware he was invited to visit the vatican. most of his team will stay in new york and continue to work on the ground, but this was an opportunity he just couldn't pass up. there is some fallout that this el t

bernie is a brooklynite.go to the vatican to push a theme that you're already known for, i think that was questionable. i would have stayed in new york three days before the primary. i think he made a mistake saying we should be even handed with a huge number of jewish votes that will be cast. i think somebody like bernie who has run a strong, good, politically savvy campaign made a mistake in going to the vatican, not staying in new york and taking that really, very strong position on even handedness, pro-palestinian position when so many jewish voters will be casting their ballot. >> to that point the senator is saying that secretary clinton ignores the needs of palestinians and that fact is an impediment to peace. does she have a sound policy for dealing with the ongoing palestinian crisis? >> yes, she does. she's for the two states solution. two states, israel, palestinian. she has negotiated in the middle east especially when hamas was throwing rockets at israel. i think the israeli public thinks she's b

i'm gonna give it to bernie sanders.you in states you've lost you get 40 something percent, but going forward can bernie sanders win connecticut. >> absolutely. >> a lot of guys on wall street live in connecticut. >> i know that. >> state of new jersey. >> absolutely. >> you're on a roll. we're being generous. i know the clinton supporters are mad at me. we'll give it to you 55-45. we can go on through all of these, but i'm going to do this for the sake of argument i'm going to give them all to you. this is like the price is right or whatever it is. if we give it all to you, at 55-45, you almost catch her, but you come up short. especially in some of these big states you got to win bigger than that. >> in some smaller states we have won a lot of these states in the last couple of weeks by 60%, 70%, 80% in alaska. >> let's show what that means. in a state like alaska it's only 10 delegates. you need better than that. >> as we saw in nevada, senator sanders is going to net many more delegates than what he gets initially. >

bernie sanders kind of get that.onnton -- hillary and donald trump know the new york culture we are talking about, which i still think exists. i know your point from earlier, but still, that will matter a lot. the shortfalls. i am not really getting at with sanders in the daily news interview and made all of those, what i would say, in temperate remarks. he was saying, the daily news, it is just a dumb tabloid. if you had been around new york -- and maybe they are getting older and not getting out to the bronx as much as they used to, but they want to make an impact, and they know their stuff. can i make az: contrary argument? the daily news was a disaster for sanders if you assume the sanders voter cares about issues. this is the reverse mere image of 12 tromp. they are not groaning on issues, they are voting on one thing or screwed,s, feelings pitchfork inc. the banks -- pitchforking the banks. they say he does not know anything, just blabbing about nothing, and yet, here sanders is having won six straight, one of

just be like bernie. bernie is, i guess, do you know what bernie yelled? a likable yell. >> yes. >> and you'd recoil. >> i don't know where he was. and it might have taken him out earlier. >> and seems to be he's peaking at the right time. >> to me, where hillary showed greatest vulnerability is where i've been trying to lecture you. forget about e-mails and benghazi. what about libya? she was asked about that. and gave an answer that made me gag. >> we did a great deal to help the libyan people. the libyan people deserve a chance at democracy and self government. >> senator, they abandoned the libyan people after engineering the demise of the authoritarian figure that we came to know and loathe or love. they got rid of them there, they had nothing but anarchists. and this. >> benghazi is part of that. >> i think that is one of her strongest moments in terms of coming back, not going to take it. she had to bring up the fail, inability to articulate any kind of logical persuasive command or national security is definitely hurt him. his supporters showed up

[cheering] bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! and, and if that speech is so great, i think the american people have the right to hear it. [cheering] now, i don't know why but i myself have not gotten an invitation to speak on wall street. not for 250,000, not for 25,000, not for two dollars, they haven't invited me. but i got my cell phone on and i'm waiting for the call, and if it comes this is what i would tell those people on wall street. i would tell them, i would tell them that their greed, their recklessness, and their illegal behavior have destroyed this economy, resulting in millions of americans losing their jobs, their homes and their life savings. i would tell them that they were bailed out by congress against my vote. because the big banks were too big to fail. but today, three out of the four largest banks are bigger now than they were when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail. and i would tell them that when you have a handful of financial institutions with so much economic and political power, now i

i don't know why bernie went there. especially when you watch the interview that hillary clinton did, the people interviewing her tried to get her to say that bernie wasn't qualifying and she refused to say it. she ultimately said the voters have to decide. and i'm worried. because we've got real work to do in november and got to stay united. what we agree on is so important to our country. so i just hope that we don't go there. the republicans need to do the playground juvenile attacks, negative campaigns. we need to stay on the high road. and i hope that bernie and his supporters, who i respect immensely, by the way, i hope they stay on the high road. >> are there people like yourself and others in the party who believe he should not be persisting in this race given the numerical odds? i mean, she won't say that, but are you going to say that? >> well, i think there is an awful lot of respect for what bernie has accomplished in this race and his supporters are passionate for a good reason. and i think that all of us a

a significant lead for bernie sanders. remember, this is an estimate. 55% for bernie sanders. 44% for hillary clinton. remember, these are exit polls. they are based on estimates, based on our early survey of voters as they left their polling locations. the final outcome may be different. we can expect those numbers to change throughout the night. remember, these are exit polls. to give us an indication of where this may be heading. jake? >> all right. wolf, thanks so much. let's go to our reporters in the field. sunlen serfaty at cruz headquarters. sunlen, tell us what the mood is there. obviously no concrete results yet, but a lot of people expecting cruz will have a good night. >> reporter: that's right, jake. and certainly here at cruz campaign headquarters for the night, the crowd is very excited. based on these early exit polls and certainly there is confidence coming tonight from the cruz campaign. a cruz campaign official tells me that the theme of the speech that senator cruz will deliver here later tonight will b

can bernie lay claim to the empire state? new york's former senator says not if he does the math. >> i remember back in 2008 i had a series of spring victories but president obama had an insurmountable lead and it stayed that way. >>> and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in new york, the center of the political universe for the next two weeks. after ted cruz trounced donald trump and bernie sanders defeated hillary clinton it didn't take long for things to get nasty. trump responding by blaming the republican establishment, the party, conservative talk radio hosts and his rival referring to him again as lying ted cruz. bernie sanders won the night but netted only ten additional delegates and welcomed by a front page daily news headline today. opening him up for a quick attack from hillary clinton. >> i think the interview raised a lot of really serious questions and i look at it this way, the core of his campaign has been break up the banks and it didn't seem in reading his answers that he understood exactly how that would work.

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he said bernie should do what bernie wants to done when a colleague asked phim if bernie sanders has the democratic nomination, he was candid with his assessment. >> senator reid, bernie sanders, do you think he has a path to the nomination. >> no, i do not. >> do you think he should shift his campaign to be more about unity? >> i have every confidence, it's the issue not him, it's the country. >> reporter: how senate democrats are playing this. there's no overt pressure campaign to get him to leave the race though folks are getting impatient. one reason why, they do not want to alienate bernie sanders' supporters. but watch for if hillary clinton continues to run the table and coming in weeks perhaps that pressure campaign will intensify, something we're not seeing at this point right now. >> thank you so much. bernie sanders needs to went a daunting number of delegates, 82% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination in every contest between now and june. panel's back with me. bill, as the bernie sanders supporter here, bernie sanders himself talked to chris cuomo about the

why is bernie hanging on?ry indication he will continue the campaign. >> he pulled even with hillary clinton and won a series of state caucuses in primaries in recent weeks and if you are bernie sanders you look in the mirror and say maybe i can win this. previously, he has the ability to drive the debate in the democratic party even if he can't solve the delegate path. it is inevitable to see that hillary inton will be the nominee. do they think they can win by turning around super delegates and they will affect the party's position or a combination of the two. both are at work. >> he's hammered her as being beholden to wall street money and special interest. one of the nagging issues that she faces, the low percentage of democratic voters that say she is honest and trustworthy. she scores lower than bernie sanders on that measure. and the pattern continued in new york. the after polling showed a percentage of those who say mrs. clinton is honest and trustworthy. say she is not. w

islamic terrorism, bernie says sunni muslims should take care of it. putin, bernie has nothing.n, nothing. illegal immigration looks like bernie supports the open border policy espoused by many on the far left. anyone should be able to enjoy the benefits of america without restraint.y>vfi crime? bernie laments that so many criminals are in prison. even though violent crime in the u.s.a. has dramatically faen, once tough felony sentencing was put into place. a national debt of $20 trillion, bernie has no problem adding to that. ederal government to wants+tq mandate salaries and provide jobs for everybody. taxation through the roof for american corporations and the wealthy. of course, that would lead to a huge contraction in the private sector as business would stop expanding. senator sanders says free healthcare is a human right, and many corporations provide generous health benefits right now to their employees. but they would stop doing that if the government is going to provide healthcare and demand higher corporate taxes to fund it. on the plus side, senator sanders is perhap

how might that affect bernie sanders? >> reporter: that is the key thing to keep in mind tonight measuring support across the board. only democrats who were registered democrats last month can vote in this. bernie sanders ran into a man today doing some walking around midtown manhattan, approached by a man who said i wanted to change from independent to democrat to vote for you but i had to do that last october. and this is what bernie sanders told him -- >> it shouldn't be this hard. >> no, it should not be. today, 3 million people in the state of new york who are independents lost their right to vote in the democratic and republican primary, that's wrong. it's administered by the state, you have a right to vote. that's a very unfortunate thing, which i hope will change in the future. >> reporter: that's the blunt reality here, jake. you had to have been a registered democratic voter in march before this. if you were switching parties you had to do that last year. that will take away a lot of sanders supporters. they kne

bernie sanders. >> why?ie sanders has been on the front lines of civil rights ever since before i was born, and i'm 29. not to mention -- thank you -- not to mention he cares about the people, number one. and he's for the people. he doesn't have super pacs such as hillary clinton does. >> let me ask you another issue. one of the main issues tonight that also got a lot of passion out of this group was the minimum wage issue, which they were discussing whether or not it should be $12 or $15. what do you think about that? >> i think contrary to secretary clinton's views, now is not the time for maintaining the status quo. nor is it the time for incremental change. now is the time for real change in this country. the working class and middle class in this country have the chips squarely stacked against them. now is the time to empower those people. one of the best ways to do that is raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> a lot of you were very -- a lot of you feel very strongly about that. but also what got a

what bernie said is right. i understand when you go to new york, you're going to get hit by the tabloids. that's what the new york primary is about. everything he said in that interview was absolutely, 100% correct. >> so where are folks outside of the daily news see as a muddled response to something that is one of the staples of pillars of your campaign, you are satisfied with how he handled that answer? >> more than satisfied. i think bernie sanders understands -- >> the authority of the federal reserve. >> no. it was a very broad base and the authority of the federal reserve specifically on this issue as to whether or not they have authority to deal with and to break up big banks is a question that is disputed among leading economists. by the way, a number of economists are speaking out supporting everything that he said in that interview. >>. >> he talked about the tone of the campaign. let's listen. >> sure. >> this is what i would say to them. which is, don't destroy the democratic party to satisfy the s

>> i think bernie sanders would end up beating donald trump.is point i have a hard time imagining in he democrat losing to donald trump trying to project it forward to november. i will say this, though, in hillary clinton's case we have a well-known candidate. we know her pluses and her minuses. after 25 years of being in the headlines and having every reporter look into her repeatedly, i can't believe we're going to find a lot new. believe it or no the even though bernie sanders has been public for the last few months most americans think he's larry david. you talk to people and they're confusing sanders. think about what will happen when sanders finally gets his vetting and he will get a vetting from the republicans if not from the media. so i'm less about sanders though i think he would probably win. >> i have to ask a bernie sanders spokesman about what you said. >>> coming up, hillary versus bernie, representatives of both campaigns are going to join us. the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best servi

again, it's tough for bernie sanders. it could get better for him in may, as it could get better again for ted cruz in may when the calendar turns towards states that have more of the voters they've done well with. the question is whether on the democratic side it will be out of reach functionally for sanders. >> all right. we're going to talk about that in a moment. the dreaded "p" word for the democrats, proportionate delegate allocation makes it difficult for bernie sanders to gain any ground going forward. we'll talk about what bernie sanders and ted cruz, maybe john kasich need to do to turn around their path to the presidency. that's next. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. e >>> i'm so excited to share with you what america has learned over the past few months. and it has nothing to do with a politician winning his home state tonight. >> we lost tonight. there are five primari

[cheers and applause] bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bern bernie!> now, let me -- let me say a word. well, maybe two words, i don't know, about what momentum is all about. momentum is starting this campaign 11 months ago and the media determining that we were a fringe candidacy. momentum is starting the campaign 60 to 70 points behind secretary clinton. momentum is that within the last couple of weeks there have been national polls which have had us 1 point up or 1 point down. [cheers and applause] momentum is that when you look at national polls or you look at statewide polls, we are defeating donald trump by very significant numbers. [cheers and applause] and in almost every instance in national polls and in state polls, our margin over trump is wider than is secretary clinton. [cheers and applause] with the victory in wisconsin tonight -- and let me take this opportunity to thank the people of wisconsin for their strong support. [cheers and applause] with our victory tonight in wisconsin, we have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses an

i know bernie.hink he could win it. >> reporter: and sanders ran for class president back in high school, erin. he ran on a campaign of raising money for war orphans. not the most conventional campaign, but that's exactly why howard likes bernie. >> thank you very much. fascinating. john king is back with me. john, you have covered so many candidates on the campaign trail. this is insane. when you and i are out in the field and you go from one country to another, you get exhausted. how do these guys keep up the pace? >> tip your hat to bernie sanders because it will be a year and two weeks. we're half way through april now. he's been running for a year. especially if you're the underdog because you have to get up and do the morning shows. then you stay up late and do the late shows. bernie sanders raises most of his money online. most presidential candidates between events, they're on the phone trying to raise money. when you're 74, people look and check out your stamina. i've only been to a half do

ted cruz and bernie sanders. cruz and sanders are on opposite ends of the idealogical spectrum, but they have a common challenge, they need to crush their opponents to win the nomination at this point. it's april 4th today. would a win in wisconsin give either of these challenges candidates the momentum to overcome the front-runner. joining me, two reporters from the milwaukee journal sentinel, as well as wisconsin state representative, mandela barnes, who represented northeast milwaukee. i have to ask you a question, as a democrat, what is this bill out here that means you can't vote unless you have a photo whatever, you have to show a government-issued i.d. or you can't vote. >> first of all, a very exciting day to be in the state of wisconsin. but the need to have photo i.d. to vote is a part of the republican agenda across the entire country to limit the electorate. and higher turnout elections, republicans cannot win across the country. >> their way of dealing with demographic change -- >> the only way they

[cheers and applause] bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! [cheers and applause] >> as of today we have now won 16 primaries and caucuses all over this country. [cheers and applause] and with your help we're going to win here in west virginia. [cheers and applause] we have won over 1,200 delegates to the democratic national convention. [cheers and applause] and in the last several weeks the national polls, they don't show us 16 points down, a few of them have us actually ahead or a few points down. [cheers and applause] and what is also extremely important if the democratic party is to look at which candidate is the candidate to defeat donald trump or any other republican -- bernie! bernie! >> -- what we are seeing are national polls which have us 15, 20 points ahead of donald trump, far more than secretary clinton. [cheers and applause] almost every national poll and every state poll has us defeating trump and that margin for us is significantly larger than madam secretary clinton. [cheers and applause] and the reason that we are doing so mu

now they know bernie sanders.s a very tight race on tuesday. >> donna, do you want to see more debates? >> yes. i get an opportunity to see you, anderson. i want to say wolf, dana, errol, great moderating. great panel. good questions. yes. i liked it. >> even some of the questions got applause because voters really wanted some of the questions to be asked of their rival candidates. i thought it was a great night for new york. as a former new yorker to be relevant at this stage in the election is truly amazing. we're relevant on the republican side as well. >> it was a great night for the republican party becauseou bet that somewhere in the basement in washington, the tapes were rolling. they will be spitting out positions by fall without any question. >> thank you. i know. that sounds very stoic. we have to end it there. thanks very much for watching. this is 100% useful for a 100% fresh mouth. what's it like to not feel 100% fresh? we don't know. we swish listerine®. as do listerine® users. the very people we stu

bernie sanders backyard. lot of the voters have a familiarity with her. that will make a difference. >> i'm voting for hillary. he's probably the most qualified. what we're so bad about is a piece of prosperity. if she can match that, i'm fine with that. >> the other thing that's happening here, very interestingly, israel is playing a role in this. this is the nineth congressional district. a will the of people watched that debate. they heard that back and forth between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. that i can like her stance on israel here. that's a determining factor. >> that's fascinating. you have bernie sanders. he's so far the most successful jewish presidential candidate in history, in american history. his home congressional district and he may end up being tripped up on that issue. very interesting. thanks for that. coming up, if the democratic race turns nastier and nastier, what's the risk to the party come november? is there one? i'll ask new york congresswoman, next. ♪ you're not gonna watc

as momentum has been gang or the perceived momentum for bernie sanders that the bernie or bust mentality gotten more aggressive. people saying they're not going to come out for hillary if she is the nominee. that kind of language and the sentiment especially when bernie sanders is new tock a democrat. doesn't fund raise downballot. it would be appalling. charles: if this were donald trump, it would be on the front page of any newspaper on the planet. is this a double standard? you didn't hear a lot from bernie sanders. >> it is trending on twitter, that's for sure. i was really shocked. this is something you hear at a trump rally, not at a bernie sanders event. charles: to be fair, i never heard that kind of language. >> not from, well, not from donald trump himself, maybe, from a lot of his supporters. >> ted cruz was called the "p" word, he repeated it. >> we're talking about his supporters. charles: he goes out and he says, in is to me -- >> totally uncalled for. >> i'm appalled and i'm happy that i'm voting republican. i can't be part of this stuff. all i can say is watching hillary

bernie wins. bernie wins. yet bernie is not winning. >> so we have to note that even in him complaining about the system and calling it corrupt, an nbc analysis shows the delegate system has favored him where he won 37% of the popular vote, but is ahead by 45% in the delegate count. tamron. >> and we'll dig into those numbers because his complaint at this point is not matching what's actually happening in the delegate count. so is he now setting the stage in the event that ted cruz somehow gets a delegate advantage, which he does not have, according to our reporting, right now? jacob, thank you so much. speaking of cruz's campaign, the cruz campaign is slamming paul manafort's accusation that they're using, quote, gestapo tactics. they responded in a statement reading in part, it's no surprise that trump's team will lash out with falsehoods when facing a loss to distract from their failure as they have the entire time. meanwhile, coming off his win in colorado, cruz is setting his sights further w

-- i almost said bernie.ama, i almost said. barack obama was beating hillary clinton by just 3 percentage points in the national poll. so we've also seen this same type of pattern. >> governor granholm on this program said that in her estimation, hillary clinton stayed in the race in 2008 a little too long. let's talk about those polls. maria, this is for you. this is the national poll, nbc/"wall street journal" poll. sanders for the first time almost tying with hillary clinton nationally among democrats. 48% said they would choose bernie while 50% said they would pick hillary. surprising or is his message resonating with democrats. >> i think it's not surprising but it doesn't necessarily mean his message is resonating with democrats. of course it's resonating with some. he's doing really well and he's brought an incredibly important message to the party. i think it will be good for all of us once we unite and focus on beating republicans in november. but those polls -- and we all know this, don. they don't