[cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ how nice. >> bernie! bernie! again. thanks for being back. >> senator sanders: congratulations to be performing in front of human beings. >> stephen: i know. it's much better. it's much better than just shouting down a pipe. senator, you are invited of course as a senator to be at the speech tonight. >> senator sanders: i much prefer to be here. >> stephen: this is nicer? we're honored, obviously, but this is nicer than hanging out with your colleagues? >> senator sanders: yes, it i is. >> stephen: the state of the union is always important, obviously. the eyes of the nation are always on what the president, however it is at that time, is going it feels particularly powerful tonight to see biden describe in stark terms the fight between freedom and tyranny, the ongoing battle that is not theoretical at this point, between democracy and autocracy. what is the significance of tonight's state of the union, just talk about foreign policy in the wake of what's happening in ukraine. >> senator sanders: it cannot be mor

this is very much a homecoming for bernie krause.sident, and he's thrilled to have the show here in san francisco. [chirping continues] ♪♪ this work was commissioned in 2016 for an exhibition in paris by the cartier foundation. they brought together bernie krause with united visual artists to create an immersive environment that celebrates these ecological landscapes that bernie's recorded. the piece itself is made up of seven sound environments. each one is about 12 minutes in length. it's wonderful to hear them all, but you get a wonderful feeling for each of those landscapes by just listening to one. ♪♪ bernie krause is a bioacoustician. he has, over the course of 50 years, also traveled the world to record soundscapes. so, what you hear from living organisms in a particular wild place, be it the oceans or the deserts or the mountains, he has had his mics out and has taken an incredible record of what these places have sounded like over time. what you begin to realize is how complex, beautiful the natural world is. just listening

bernie kerik was the former president's lead voter fraud investigator. what could he tell jack smith, and will he be asked about donald trump's state of mind. nbc's vaughn hillyard reports that former trump aide william russell was asked that yesterday. as a reminder, this is russell right here with the former president at the ellipse on january 6th. could russell also corroborate any of what cassidy hutchinson said of that day? that trump knew the crowd was armed and that he was pushing to go to the capitol himself. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, good to have you. let's talk about a trial date. has the trump team responded in any way? >> they have, katy. they're claiming victory, despite the fact they had initially pushed to have the trial moved after the election. they are taking may, mid to late may and running with. they have foiled a doj plot here to go after donald trump in the middle of election season, and they're sort of right in the sense that a may time line gets you past most of the big primaries,

mac stayed bernie mac.ius. - i'm overwhelmed, as you see. - the first time in the more than 200-year history of this country, an african american will be the chief executive. how far we have come. - america has changed to the point now where "black-ish" is telling these unapologetically black stories. they have that freedom because we have changed as a culture. - [andre] sometimes i feel like a bit of an oddity. - and if you look to your left, you'll see the mythical and majestic black family. - it talks about the so called post-racial version (laughs) of being black. - the whole show begins, saying, "we moved to a white neighborhood, but we still got to hold on to our culture." - this is our culture. - this ain't our culture. we black, not african. africans don't even like us. - dad, can i go? - there was a lot of conversation about what to call it. "black-ish" was the preferred title, and the creator kenya really supported and felt like sets off a little bit of a firestorm, and you get people talking abou

mac stayed bernie mac.ernie mac's genius. - i'm overwhelmed, as you see. - the first time in the more than 200-year history of this country, an african american will be the chief executive. how far we have come. - america has changed to the point now where "black-ish" is telling these unapologetically black stories. they have that freedom because we have changed as a culture. - [andre] sometimes i feel like a bit of an oddity. - and if you look to your left, you'll see the mythical and majestic black family. - it talks about the so called post-racial version (laughs) of being black. - the whole show begins, saying, "we moved to a white neighborhood, but we still got to hold on to our culture." - this is our culture. - this ain't our culture. we black, not african. africans don't even like us. - dad, can i go? - there was a lot of conversation about what to call it. "black-ish" was the preferred title, and the creator kenya really supported and felt like sets off a little bit of a firestorm, and you get peop

and bernie carrick was part of that group along with rudy giuliani. there were connections with roger stone, with the people who attacked the capitol, the proud boys and oath keepers. and i wonder if jack smith doesn't want to close the loop there and see if there can be some connection drawn between mark meadows, donald trump, and what happened at the capitol on january 6th. we recall that cassidy hutchinson said mark meadows was going to go to the willard hotel on the night of january 5th and she talked him out of it. instead he participated in the meeting by conference call. instead if bernie carrick could shed some light there that could be interesting to jack smith. >> it sounds like beyond the proofreading and this election of words and the nomenclature of all of this, it sounds like there's still some material that needs to be checked, some substantive material, whether it's bernie carrick's notes or the reporting we have from nbc news that at least two more fake electors have been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury in early august. i'

mac stayed bernie mac. mac's genius. - i'm overwhelmed, as you see. - the first time in the more than 200-year history of this country, an african american will be the chief executive. how far we have come. - america has changed to the point now where "black-ish" is telling these unapologetically black stories. they have that freedom because we have changed as a culture. - [andre] sometimes i feel like a bit of an oddity. - and if you look to your left, you'll see the mythical and majestic black family. - it talks about the so called post-racial version (laughs) of being black. - the whole show begins, saying, "we moved to a white neighborhood, but we still got to hold on to our culture." - this is our culture. - this ain't our culture. we black, not african. africans don't even like us. - dad, can i go? - there was a lot of conversation about what to call it. "black-ish" was the preferred title, and the creator kenya really supported and felt like sets off a little bit of a firestorm, and you get people ta

bernie: what?ng that, black comedians can tell these kind of stories. mr. abbott: so you're... chris. chris: yes sir. abbott: i'm mr. abbott, your guidance counsellor. aramide tinubu: by the time everybody hates chris debuted in 2005, chris rock was a massive star. beretta smith shomade: everybody hates chris is a funny recalling of chris rock's childhood in 1980's brooklyn. chris: my father always knew what everything cost. dad: that's $1.09 in the trash... that's two dollars on fire! todd bridges: it was an all black show in the home, and chris got bussed to an all white school. chris: was the junior high school across the street really that bad? [gun shots] [screaming] chris: much like rock and roll, school shootings were also invented by blacks and stolen by the white man. tinubu: and then, of course in 2006 upn merged with the wb to become what we now know as the cw. bambi haggins: the cw just decides not to do sitcoms anymore and that cuts out all black programming. latoya ferguson: it's some

all we hear is what bernie kerik in two weeks made up some evidence about this. i mean, if this were truly exculpatory, and showed donald trump thought that he really won the election, we would have heard about it years ago. we are three years after january 6th, and you know, the idea, all of a sudden now magically, this idea materialized, and it's going to exculpate donald trump. i don't buy it for a second, donald trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence. he will hire the best attorneys his money could buy, for whatever that's worth. but, you know, at the end of the day, this is going to a court of law with very strict procedures and rules of evidence. and these kinds of, you know, bogus attacks, i don't think they're gonna get him to an acquittal. >> nbc news is reporting tonight that richard donahue, who was the final acting attorney general in the trump administration, has spoken with jack smith, has told him everything that he told you, tim heaphy, at the january 6th committee, but he has not met with the grand jury. it was attorney general donie w

after that pardon, what did bernie kerik do?nt on to work alongside the ex presidents election conspiracy theorist and chief, rudy giuliani. yes, that guy, as he tried to overturn the 2020 election. the former new york city, new york police commissioner was on the ground, searching, looking everywhere he could for nonexistent voter fraud to keep trump in power. and after months, months of refusing to hand over documents to the special counsel's team, we learned today that keirk turned over thousands of pages of documents to jack smith's team. that's a lot of reading. and we will sit down with prosecutors in two weeks. according to the daily beast, the ex president actually waved privilege on friday and agreed to let kerik hand over those documents. i have a lot of questions about that and why he did that. but he is yet another trump insider who will sit down for jack smith's team. i've been having a hard time, and i've been following this closely. we learned this week at that the special counsel is further looking to the ex pres

all you need to do is go back seen these nuggets of bernie sanders. right when, when m. s. nbc producers and whistle blowers and m. s n b c came forward and admitted that they were told that they were not allowed to put bernie sanders on television right then even in their graphics, if they had on their screen when they showed who's the core, the candidates running for president. right now, it was interesting to see in, you know, andrew yang and other people removed from the graphic and they had comma harris on their to was pulling lower than bernie sanders. why? so she's pulling lower your bernie sanders who is winning, but you can't have him on the show. you can't do the man. i have to go to a hard break here. we're going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break. and after that hard, great, we'll continue our discussion state the pieces, the youngest as of today because there's a lot of censorship on many topics in schools that start to just the migration topic. to my impression, it went on this atomic change, gone back, it went on, send them a call. you see,

you have bernie sanders, who's winning, but you can't have him on the show. you can't do the man, i have to go to a hard break here. we're going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break late the pieces a x of today because there's a lot of that censorship on many topics in schools that start to just the migration topics. to my impression it went on this, the climate change, gone back and spent almost send them a call. you see it's, i mean, there was no, there was no way of debate. it was either or the s. and now it's about russia and it's about, yes, we have to fight russia and russia has to be taken off the map. the prospect where all the things are considered. i'm peter of eldest as a home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real news. the george in budapest here in the last new cycle, we had other senate rejects congressional powers over nato, article 5, and it was a vote of a losing 16 to 83. we entered the pro 1st part of the program, talking about the democratic process. now we're talking about drafting the constitution. is it some

all you need to do is go back seen these nuggets of bernie sanders . right when, when m. s. n b c produced theirs and whistle blowers and m. s. nbc came forward and admitted that they were told that they were not allowed to put bernie sanders on television right then even in their graphics that they had on their screen when they showed who's the core, the candidates running for president. right now, it was interesting to see in, you know, andrew yang and other people removed from the graphic and they had comma la harris on there who was pulling lower than bernie sanders. why? so she's pulling lower your bernie sanders who's winning, but you can't have him on the show. you can't do the man. i have to go to a hard break here. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break. and after that hard, great, we'll continue our discussion state the more expensive and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do, do not watch my new shelf. seriously. why watch something that's so different little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please do the have the s

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all you need to do is go back seen these nuggets of bernie sanders . right, when, when m. s n b c, producers and whistle blowers that emma sent, b. c came forward and admitted that they were told that they were not allowed to put bernie sanders on television right then even in their graphic. so if they had on their screen when they showed who's the poor, the candidates running for president right now, it was interesting to see in, you know, andrew yang and other people removed from the graphic and they had comma la harris on there who was pulling lower than bernie sanders. why? so she's pulling lower. your bernie sanders who's winning, but you can't have him on the show. you can't do the man. i have to go to a heart break here. we're going to jump in here. we're going to go have a hard break, and after that hard break will continue our discussion state the the the the the welcome back across stuff where all the things are considered. i'm peters. well, this is a home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. the all right, george in budapest, year, in the last

now on 16 for bernie. he sits a thing, can't get it done.lead heading into a tea, but after a good drive on 18, here is steph, the approach to the par 5, he has to get this thing good, he does, 148 yards out, 18 feet, giving him the chance, and an eagle. and after fish lag, steph had this thought, six points in the celebrity tournament format, to win the whole tournament. and look at this. rolls it right on in. all that pressure does not matter, his first career win at the american century in tahoe, first active athlete to win since 2000, this time from the golf course. >> that is what you great -- dream about, to know what you have to do, 18th hole, all of those nerves, the adrenaline, login to what you're trying to do. three really good shots. and understand the moment. the refs helps not being able to take -- being afraid to take chances and not afraid of the results. a lot of people would like to be on the scenario where you have an 18 foot putt to win a tournament, as a member, is skins game, whatever it is. all of that stuff. that is w

so you ran a presidential campaign before bernie sanders.i -- i was really taken aback by the just very specific intent of this most, the most from trump which is to strike fear in the hearts of people who could potentially be detractors, investigators, or opponents, right? if you're a 2024 presidential candidate in this race, what do you do with an ad like that? like it's incumbent upon you to respond to it. >> i don't know that it is. i would argue trump has largely buried himself with a lot of independent and moderate and progressive people all across america. and he continues to dig holes. he is rallying and of course in this primary a bunch of intense people who like his alphaness. he swings at everybody, hipisses people off, and they get excited about that. if you're biden you're letting him mark his territory. go for it. if that's your 30, 40%, great. it ain't a majority in this country. and so you say i have a different ethical code. i don't get dragged down into nonsense and garbage like this. with that, what trump knows is there's

sanders's followtors vote for him joe biden basically made a secret deal with bernie sanders that hetalked about her admiration for milton keynesian, there is no milton keynes, john may-around keynes milton friedman she bind two her favorite economist i think she is so ignorant not my favorite i am glad controversy about progressive voting for joe biden jsh he did do a deal with bernie sanders i think harder sell, in 2024. >> that is one of those answers that is so disingenuous, what is your biggest fault i am too nice. >> right. >> come on. >> aoc has a ton of followers definitely good brand uses social media very, very well we should not be asking elected official whether or not you've done home work, plenty of opportunities to show it to your constituents and american people with that many followers. maria: i love your example liz how did that home work work out the mix up economists sl any number of i occasions she stumbled because not very well educated frankly again she is ignorant, remember talking about, something, by the way, bernie sanders made same point i mixinged up reve

. >> you love bernie, i know all about it. >> bernie is my brother but not my mentor. i come out with martin luther king jr. >> all right. i will stand corrected. but you like bernie sanders a lot. >> he is my brother, no doubt about that. >> here's what i want to ask you though. i think this is an important question. and i think we should get to the bottom of it. you talked about extremes at the secret service, could not identify a bag of cocaine in the white house. you talked about the slap on the wrist for hunter biden. now, they stopped that investigation in ten short days, dr. west. ten days, professor. they didn't interview a single person. that just wreaks to me of a coverup. why do i believe if it was your white house or trump's white house, somebody else's white house that that treatment wouldn't fly, am i wrong? >> no. i think you're right about that. i don't know about trump's white house, i can't speak for the brother. for my white house. i'm not even going to the white house until every american citizen has a house, i want to abolish poverty and homelessne

one of the people on this team was former new york police commissioner bernie cber kcarri. much of this never seen by investigators because up until now they tried taos cert privilege over it. they argued that it should be privileged. they kept it from the january 6th committee. it's a little different. when special counsel jack smith comes calling, he's been in talks with bernie kerik, and as part of the talks they agreed they would get the trump campaign to waive privilege. they got him to turn over thousands of documents, research they did. in addition to the previously undisclosed documents, i'm told bernie kerik has scheduled an interview with the special counsel in the next two weeks. it's a reminder that even if there is an indictment, it will continue into the summer. >>> we have more legal experts joining us now. shan wu and norm eisen. shan, let me start with you. we know prosecutors are honing in on this trump meeting in february of 2020 in which he insisted at least to its closest associates there was no election fraud or anything along those lines. why do you t

and then there was a guy named donald trump, and then there was a guy named bernie sanders about bernie sandra. it's blamed bell burge and crashed . trump is the width is but robert f kennedy is changing the way this campaign is being looked at a much to disagree and of the establishment and the media. thoughts i this week, my wife and i went to see about we kennedy junior at a event here, wish volleyball tea uh when he was dis invited to the center for ethical culture because he of course, but were not i became an anti semite. bobby can the juniors and that'd be somebody because he dare to suggest that there might be, believe it or not, they demographic or genetic component to different diseases like oh, i don't know, tay sachs and then a sickle cell anyway. long story short. he had to redeem himself. he was uninvited, at the center of the culture, where robert oppenheimer went to school texting. you know, she was moved a gentleman cuz it was a, a, it was one stock needs coach. allow me, uh, firing line. people from air in. here's the best part, every demographic, i've seen a little ba

but bernie sanders is burned. he said, you're so you're not kidding. but i saw in brooklyn on a very cold afternoon, a bunch of young people crying. they loved him and when he basically was hose. in fact, if he goes i'm, i will go to these young people and say, are you going to let them do that again to you? you are host by your, by hillary clinton. now you can do one of 2 things because he does come across a number he's 70 years old, and the other night i have, i had to jump in here way, but really bumping up against that time. let me in here. i want to take my guess in new york at north florida. i don't wanna think that'd be worse for watching us. here is the, the great news here on the see the running of committee a terror attack on the southern pull city of turn go 12, or at least 15 people were wounded in the midst south side. she did. the main thing is that russia in africa are united by and in the desire to defend genuine sovereignty. the right to their own original passive development in political because.

but bernie sanders is barney's that you're so you're not kidding. but i saw in brooklyn on a very cold afternoon, a bunch of young people crying. they loved him. and when he basically was housed, in fact, if he goes i'm, i will go to these young people and say, are you going to let them do that again to you? you are host by your, by hillary clinton. now you can do one of 2 things because he does come across member, he's 70 years old and frankly, no, i have, i have to jump in here. we're really bumping up against that time. let me in here. i want to take my guess in new york at north florida. i don't wanna think that'd be worse for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember, prospect was the, the, not just for the president of the russian federation who has invited us, but it's also a success for african countries because of russia is a winner. everyone is the winner. that's the head, all the applicant, media, and the delivers closing remarks that the adverse to advocate somebody in some pages long. so i'd like to meant to say that in the e

kerik's attorneys, bernie kerik the former nypd police commissioner who worked closely with rudy giulianit he's still scheduled to speak with prosecutors potentially days from now. how does that work into the timeline of a pending indictment? >> yeah, look, i mean, part of what we've been kind of wrestling with, we're trying to figure out -- we know that the former president was now told more than two weeks ago that he was a target of this investigation and that that was an indication that he certainly could be charged very soon, but the fact that bernie kerik, who is an important witness, he has information that was only recently turned over, as a matter of fact, last weekend was when his lawyers turned over information that prosecutors had been looking to get, again, looking at wkerik's role was wih rudy giuliani, trying to come up with proof of fraud of which we know there was none. he is going to meet with prosecutors in the coming days. we don't know whether this means this indictment is put off for a little while longer or whether they already have what they need and bernie kerik is

. >> bernie kerik and rudy giuliani don't breathe a sigh of relief just. left their luck is not over. andrew weissmann, diana perry, thank you so much thank you for your time i know many be seeing both more both of you soon. we have a lot more including the latest ever and ron desantis as florida to whitewash the teaching of slavery. plus, maga republicans let wild conspiracy theories take center stage on capitol hill today. with some help from a democrat. that's next. that's next. >> the republican hearings that have and hold it over the fast few days, and throughout this entire congress are a malignant clown show. an clown show having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv

one member of that legal team is the former new york police commissioner bernie caric. now, he had previously declined to hand over a lot of these materials to investigators on the hill when they were looking into january 6th, citing privilege. but now that the special counsel has reached out, they have waived -- the trump campaign has waived that privilege and they are providing these documents. now, erin, that suggests that they don't believe there is anything incriminating here. but you can bet investigators are likely going over this line by line to inform any potential charges. but we also know that bernie caric has now scheduled his first interview with the special counsel. that's going to happen in the next few weeks. so i'm sure after they go through these documents, they're going to have some follow-up questions for him. we know they've already spoken with rudy giuliani, but they could always call him back. >> absolutely, as you have reported, i know that there's been some individuals, one at least in at least three times. now let's go to olivia troye. also wit

parlatore, who i should note is currently representing the former new york city police commissioner bernie kerik in the election interference investigation. first on this news that trump himself broke this morning, what do you make of the target letter? do you think it means that trump is on the verge of being indicted again? >> you know, i don't know. it's an odd use of target letters. that is something the doj traditionally uses to send to, you know, lower and midlevel people in an alleged conspiracy, in an effort and try to give them an opportunity preindictment to cooperate with the higher-ups. as far as usual litigation strategies, it doesn't really seem to fit to send one to a person like donald trump. so, in some ways it kind of looks like a publicity stunt, but at the same time, they didn't publicize it. they let him publicize it so it's really kind of an odd object in this thing. >> but is it a publicity stunt? i mean, if they're not the ones who put it out there, trump is the one who put it out there? >> right. it is, which makes it all the more weird because i don't understand,

of progressive interest, bernie aoc are out of step.s not work for bernie sanders now, that was her response. somebody on twitter said, i hope aoc got a nice pay out for that. aoc is 33 years old. many in the younger generation want younger candidates and fresh faces. >> todd: you may find in in declub, unclear if that club will be in -- >> cheryl: it is fitty. i learned the hard way. >> todd: i was told, big discussion, i'm not allowed to call him fitty. >> cheryl: i was told i was saying it wrong, i used to say 50. fi fitty cent, posted this, the zero bail policy on instagram, l.a. is finish, watch how bad it gets out there. he is responding to the fact, for zero dollar bail, misdemeanor and nonviolent felonies, there is no bail. this is affecting los angeles, in particular. that policy ended in july of 2022, they brought it back and that is what the clip was that l.a. clip television clip. look. i was looking at this yellow county da study on los angeles and california, what does this all mean? 70% of those released without -- everyo

takeand joining now on booktv fm the tucson festival of books is senator bernie sanders of vermont. thank you. yeah, his most recent book is it's okay be angry about capitalism senator. what's your definition of capitalism. well, what this book is about is a nation which is moving to open capitalism where motivated by incredible greed, we now have more income and wealth inequality than we've had in the history of our country we have three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of american society in america. today, we have more of ownership. we're in sector after sector, agriculture, financial services, fewer and fewer huge corporations control what we purchase. we have a political system which is increasingly corrupt because as a result, citizens united, billionaires are now able to spend unlimited amounts of money buying and selling politicians and all of that. all we are moving toward an oligarchic form of society, something we have got to reject and to fight back against. so when when it comes to itself, are you an anti-capitalist. so if you want to go out, start a busin

it was bernie sanders. bernie sanders. bernie sanders.he party leaders said, come general election, a socialist cannot win the general. >> ainsley: when we were with ron desantis, we asked what was the difference with you and trump when it comes to policy? >> ainsley: what sets you apart from trump? so many policies seem similar. >> i give him credits, he's done a lot of good things. one, i'm more likely to beat biden, i think my record in florida shows that. two, i'm more likely to get all this stuff done. i'm former military officer. i'm disciplined. i'm focused. i don't worry about the side issues, a lot of stuff that happens on day-to-day basis is a distraction. i don't try to stir that up, i get the job done every single day. i am somebody able to serve two terms. >> steve: good point, donald trump served four years as president, if he gets elected, first day he sits behind the desk in the oval office, he's a lame duck, he can't run for re-election. >> brian: fascinated by that answer, he does not hate trump and trump does not hate r

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bernie sanders is going to the nominee. if if biden can't somehow, you know, beat him in a lot of these places and obama does something biden didn't know about at the time, and he calls amy klobuchar and he calls people to judge. and he says to them, he doesn't say, in so many words, drop out of this race. but he says you have to think about where the political math is going. you have to think about what everything you've accomplished and what you want your future in this party to be and what you want the future of the party to be, and therefore, the democracy essentially saying to them, drop out votes are going to go to joe and course, that's that's what happened. and from then on, i think we're probably running out of time. from then on he became quite a prominent behind the scenes adviser to the abc, to the biden team. if not always to biden himself. so then just briefly before we turn to the q&a, how do they communicate now this current phase of the biden presidency? their roles are very different. yeah, they still talk

you love bernie. i know all about it. well, no, no, no i ll, no, no, no >> bernie is my brother, but he's not my mentor. i come out of martin luther king jr fan inh hampshire, i ws someone you know, so i'll stand corrected. but you like bernie sanders? no. all right. well, he's my brothe n doubt abr, no doubt about that. >> here's what i do want to ask you, though, because i thinkk ye this is an important question, and i think we should get to the bottom of it. t ofyou talked about it's strane that the secret service could not identify, you know, a bagn of cocaine in the white house. you talked about the slathpter on the wrist for hunter biden. >> now they stop that investigation into cocaine in the white house in ten short days. ten short. r. ten days, professor. and they didn't interview a single they person.t wreaks now, that that just reeks to me like a cover up. wha y? ouse o i believe if it was your white trbelieve if it was your white somebody else's white house, tha that that treatment wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't f

in europe, they call themselves social democrats and i'm wondering why bernie sanders calls himself a democratic-socialist and i wonder if that feeds into the paranoia? about we can't become a socialist country. you just sort of answered that saying the various different types of capitalism and socialism and, to my year, i think if bernie sanders and people who have similar political ideologies as mr. sanders, senator sanders, perhaps, the average american could digest the actual definition of a social democrat because it is emphasizing democrat. i think it should be changed to social democrat. >> i have no idea why bernie sanders does what he does or doesn't do. i agree i feel the phrase democratic-socialist is not helpful and think it is a shame he uses it but one of the things that is important to point out, we could have a long conversation about european social democracy in the different ways in which many metrics shows it works better in terms of health and well-being and happiness. the evidence is really clear and we talk about that toward the end of our book. but also, you don

if you look at what bernie sanders did -- look at the impact on how we talked about college and collegeafford affordability. how we talk about length care. there needs to be that voice in this conversation. if cornell west will play any part in this, that's the voice that -- that's the lane that he occupies. to your point about the south carolina primary, what joe biden can do, since that's likely the first primary, is talk about tloes issues early, set the tone and hope that that carries into the general election. speaking on it once, letting it go, not addressing it again is a losing proposition. >> that's why you see so many more african american men bit by bit slowly moving to the right. at some point they are willing to consider alternatives because they feel as if their needs have been neglected. >> great to have you both in the studio. thank you. >>> next, it's been five days since cocaine was found inside the white house. why don't we know who was behind? this as the national security advisor weighs in on that investigation. >>> it was a tiny texas town until elon musk's space-x

he just received a trove of documents from bernie kerik. along inside trump attorney rudy giuliani led the probe in claims of false voter fraud. cnn's katelyn polantz is outside the courthouse where the jury is expected to meet. what developments have there been from the special counsel's office? >> reporter: well, boris, after months and months of this grand jury coming in tuesdays and thursdays, working diligently hearing from witnesses and having other information brought to them coming in, in documents, they do not appear to have convened today. however, that doesn't mean the special counsel's office is not busy at work. and the primary thing that we know that they have now that they didn't have before, that no investigator had before, were all of these documents that bernie kerik, a close associate of rudy giuliani had, as he was working with giuliani and others after the election. working for the trump campaign. essentially there were -- it's a collection of lawyers led by giuliani, who were trying to gather information about voter fr